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For discussion: I just received this from a friend. Pay particular attention to the definition of 'hand made'. and the part between the

** marks.

HAND MADE Created completely by hand. Not assembled from parts or made in a die or mold. This definition is one of the more commonly used ones.

The Jewelers Vigilance Committee's Appraisal Task Force stated that "The apparent or known method of manufacture should be stated (cast, die-struck, handmade, etc.) " on all appraisals.

The FTC states: (a) It is unfair or deceptive to represent, directly or by implication, that any industry product is hand-made or hand-wrought

**unless the entire shaping and forming of such product from raw materials and its finishing and decoration were accomplished by hand labor and manually-controlled methods which permit the maker to control and vary the construction, shape, design, and finish of each part of each individual product.** Note to paragraph (a): As used herein, "raw materials" include bulk sheet, strip, wire, and similar items that have not been cut, shaped, or formed into jewelry parts, semi-finished parts, or blanks.

Listing all of these may be overkill, but I am doing so to emphasize that the distinctions are ones from the industry(and federal government) and not just my own opinion. I understand what you are saying, I have been working in the jewelry repair and design business for over ten years. No jewelry work is easy, It is a truly special craft. I have spent many hours setting, polishing and soldering, but casting and making from scratch are two different things. Using a cast doesn't make a piece, or a jeweler, inferior. -----------------------

evidently, no matter how i do it, none of my jewelry is 'hand made'.

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vj
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Just have to state that it is hand assembled. LOL Shirley

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Shirley Shone

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from Shirley Shone :

]Just have to state that it is hand assembled. LOL

LOL! i knew i loved you, Shirley!

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vj

Unless you use your feet, it's hand made. This post I am making is hand made. Or would that be computer hand made? Ok I will shut up ) /smiles Hi Vicki !

Scott

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scott

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "scott" :

]Unless you use your feet, it's hand made. This post I am making is hand ]made. Or would that be computer hand made? Ok I will shut up ) /smiles ]Hi Vicki !

hi, Scott

but i'm talking about the evidently *legal definition* used by the federal government. i admit to being confused. that's why i posted it for discussion. the quoted material was sent to me by a jeweler. one i actually know [and have met] from another newsgroup.

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vj

That REALLY stinks.

I wonder if this is specific to metal-smithing... there must be different defs for other crafts... right?

I understand Shirley's suggestion, but I am not sure it would work... not sure if it is just a slightly different connentation to a US reader, but when I read "hand assembled" it sounds like the maker assembled it form a kit. Do others read it that way?

marisa2

vj wrote:

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Marisa2

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from Marisa2 :

]I wonder if this is specific to metal-smithing... there must be ]different defs for other crafts... right?

not quite. according to Jeremy - it's specific to 'hand made' anything being sold but especially to jewelry. at least that's the way i read it.

extrapolated, that would mean that unless you grew the cotton, spun the thread, and wove the fabric, a quilt couldn't be labeled 'hand-made', either.

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vj

Hmmm. Interesting. But only according to the governement, which I don't trust anyway. Vicki, you can legally say "handcrafted", though, right?

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Kandice Seeber

Okay, then, the FTC needs to define "industry product". Also, I have never heard of the FTC going after any jewelry designer/maker for stating something is handmade. Why is this bothering you?

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Kandice Seeber

If there is an (a) paragraph, there must be at least a (b) paragraph. (Otherwise the grammar police will come after the FTC.) What's in the rest of the FTC's info? Run this past the lawyers in this group, if possible, please. Sometimes b's override a's. Dumb, I know, but no one said the government had to not be dumb.

Vicki V

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V2

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "V2" :

]If there is an (a) paragraph, there must be at least a (b) paragraph. ](Otherwise the grammar police will come after the FTC.) What's in the rest ]of the FTC's info? Run this past the lawyers in this group, if possible, ]please. Sometimes b's override a's. Dumb, I know, but no one said the ]government had to not be dumb.

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for the whole text. but i checked with Oran today, and it is correct. basically, nothing made AFTER 2500BC can legally be labeled hand made!!!!!!!!!!

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vj

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "Kandice Seeber" :

]Hmmm. Interesting. But only according to the governement, which I don't ]trust anyway. Vicki, you can legally say "handcrafted", though, right?

i'm honestly not sure. i've downloaded the entire 'jewelry' document from the FTC.GOV website so Oran and i can go over it.

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vj

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "Kandice Seeber" :

]Okay, then, the FTC needs to define "industry product". ]Also, I have never heard of the FTC going after any jewelry designer/maker ]for stating something is handmade. Why is this bothering you?

because it was sent to me BY A JEWELER, with regard to the things i'm working on now. calling them 'hand made' is evidently illegal in the US.

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vj

I think maybe that jeweler is just trying to get you worried for some reason. Take a step back and look at the fact that the FTC is not worried about people who are making beaded jewelry and selling it. I think they are more worried about the high-end expensive gemstone and gold jewelry, or even stuff that is being assembled in sweat shops overseas and being sold here as "handmade". If the FTC were really pressing the matter, you'd have heard about people being shut down all over the place. Basically speaking - yes, that rule is on the books. But so what? I would be much more worried if the government was actually doing something about it. There's no way they can, really. It would be logistically nearly impossible, and right now, they have bigger fish to fry than the multitudes of handmade jewelry artists out there. Don't worry about it, hun. Just keep creating and selling that gorgeous jewelry of yours.

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Kandice Seeber

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "Kandice Seeber" :

]I think maybe that jeweler is just trying to get you worried for some ]reason. Take a step back and look at the fact that the FTC is not worried ]about people who are making beaded jewelry and selling it. I think they are ]more worried about the high-end expensive gemstone and gold jewelry, or even ]stuff that is being assembled in sweat shops overseas and being sold here as ]"handmade". If the FTC were really pressing the matter, you'd have heard ]about people being shut down all over the place. Basically speaking - yes, ]that rule is on the books. But so what? I would be much more worried if ]the government was actually doing something about it. There's no way they ]can, really. It would be logistically nearly impossible, and right now, ]they have bigger fish to fry than the multitudes of handmade jewelry artists ]out there. Don't worry about it, hun. Just keep creating and selling that ]gorgeous jewelry of yours.

thanks, doll. but he actually IS a friend in another group. i had no idea such a definition even existed. and Oran says technically, he is correct. and i want to do it right if i can.

**smile** all final decisions rest with Oran at this point.
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vj

I have spent many hours setting,

And using a "cast" piece doesn't exclude a work from the "hand made" definition. Esp. for me. I carve the wax, invest, burn out, cast and finish each piece myself. Therefor, hand made. I wonder how this definition fits to my "reproducible" line. Yes, the pieces are all cast. But from my mold, made from my original. I pull the waxes, invest, cast and finish. So even tho I can make thousands (like I would want to?), each one would still fit that definition of hand made.

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Barbara Otterson

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "Barbara Otterson" :

] And using a "cast" piece doesn't exclude a work from the "hand made" ]definition. Esp. for me. I carve the wax, invest, burn out, cast and ]finish each piece myself. Therefor, hand made.

actually, the investment, and the burn out, plus the machinery you use to do the casting DO make them NOT handmade, according to the FTC. that's what Jeremy was trying to tell me.

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vj

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "Barbara Otterson" :

] I wonder how this definition fits to my "reproducible" line. Yes, the ]pieces are all cast. But from my mold, made from my original. I pull ]the waxes, invest, cast and finish. So even tho I can make thousands ](like I would want to?), each one would still fit that definition of ]hand made.

not according to the FTC.

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vj

This is so dang confusing! Typical government crap.

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starlia

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "starlia" :

]This is so dang confusing! Typical government crap.

i downloaded the regulations for Oran to read. basically, if it was made after 2500 *BC* it can't be hand made. because you use tools. and you didn't make the tools.

Vicki V suggested:

a label that says: Hand made by God, Hand Assembled by vj.

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vj

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