OT: My Kids (long and not at all happy)

Besides my daughter and my part time daughter, I am "Auntie Kath" to more teenagers than I can count. Today, three of them got in contact with me, all with different requests. I'm nonplussed, amused and wanted to share the experiences with you.

  1. Part time daughter's older sister is scheduled to get her driver's license in two weeks. She says that driving with her mother makes her nervous, and could I be her sponsor for the driving test? I've taught many a child to drive, and of course I'll be her sponsor. I'd bet the guys at the Registry of Motor Vehicles were wondering where I'd been, anyway.

  1. One of DD's classmates, a smart boy who is 14 years old, called in a dither. He talked with DD for a while, and then she asked me to pick up the extension. He just found out that he will be repeating the seventh grade, and was upset and angry. I asked him why he had to repeat. His answer took me aback, perhaps because I wasn't expecting such honesty.

"I got straight "F's" all four terms because I didn't feel like doing homework or classwork. I was having a good time getting stoned" (in his case, smoking pot.)

I talked about the fact that stuff happens sometimes, and that if he absolutely had to smoke pot, it would be a much better idea to do so when school was over and his homework was done. (Yelling at him for smoking pot won't do a lot of good at this point) Failing and having to repeat a grade is a logical consequence for not doing any work, and that the school was not "picking on him."

I told him that I am disappointed in him, and that I wish he had come to me before things got so bad, although having to repeat one grade isn't exactly the end of the world, and if he works hard, this need not effect his life, long term. For now, he's going to summer remedial classes, and in September, he is welcome to come to our house every day after school to do schoolwork.

We talked for a long time, with DD listening closely on the extension (she always listens to these conversations). He has a lot going on, and no real supervision. (Dad is gone, mom works and leaves him under the nominal supervision of much older brothers, who are both unemployed and are the source of his drugs) We talked about finding better parental substitutes and role models, and he'll be coming by to spend some time with DH and my FIL. I hope we can help him, though we can't take him in like P/T D. At least he'll know that there are some adults who care, and he'll get some time with adult men who aren't (pardon the term) losers. He seems to need that, more than another mom.

  1. The last call came shortly before bedtime. Another fourteen year old boy went to a party*, got drunk, and had a friend give him a haircut. It came out as well as you might expect. His parents are angry, have grounded him, and aren't letting him get a professional haircut to repair the other one.

I explained that this is something you have to expect when you drink, and that I understand his parents' feelings. (I think they're right, and that the punishment is spot-on) We talked about the dangers of drinking, especially binge drinking, and gave him my standard carte blanche invitation: if he's drinking or stoned, and he realizes he's in way over his head, he is welcome to call here at any time, and we'll come get him. I'd rather his parents have a live son to be upset with than one who came to grief.

Tomorrow, I'll call his mom at work and just let her know that I spoke to her son and that I support her 100%, and to ask her permission about the "free ride home, no questions asked."

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The last two situations make me sad, but they provided teaching opportunities for my girls. DD was worried that I would now think that the two boys involved were "bad kids," and forbid her to be friends with them. I told her that they were being stupid, but that kind of stupid goes with adolescence, and that I hope they outgrow it. We talked once again why my girls aren't allowed to go to unsupervised parties, and speculated how bad their hair would look if a drunken friend got ahold of it.

I reiterated my "free ride home" policy, and we talked about my "easy out" for the girls: they are more than welcome to blame us for any situation that they want to refuse. If there's a party going on, and they are afraid to say that they don't want to go (and therefore appear to be geeky), they can blame DH or me at any time: "My parents are much too strict to let me do X."

DD laughed. "Oh Mama, I've been using that one for _years!_ That's why all the boys are afraid to try anything with me -- P/T D and I tell everyone that Daddy's a psycho and an Italian Father, and that he'd kill anyone who looked at us the wrong way."

DH looked less than thrilled, but he's happy to play the part if it keeps his girls safe.

I can't figure out what's harder: being a teenager or being the concerned parent of a teenager. (Actually, I can figure it out -- being a teenager is much harder)

Jeanne H., I think I'm channeling you right now!

Kathy N-V

  • Parties like this are off limits because things get out of control so quickly. Binge drinking can become alcohol poisoning, and I worry about kids getting behind the wheel. (A lot of these parties have older teens behind them, buying the liquor and drugs, and providing transportation)

We've also talked about the danger such parties provide to girls: date rape and gang rape almost always take place when far too much alcohol has been consumed. If they ever find themselves at a party and don't want to leave (although I hope they'd call me or one of the other people who've agreed to do this: my sister, her husband, my FIL, P/T D's mother), they are to keep a close eye on one another. No rule is more important -- make sure they touch base every five minutes at the longest.

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Kathy Nicklas-Varraso
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vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from Kathy Nicklas-Varraso :

]Besides my daughter and my part time daughter, I am "Auntie Kath" to more ]teenagers than I can count. Today, three of them got in contact with me, all ]with different requests. I'm nonplussed, amused and wanted to share the ]experiences with you.

that's one of the things i miss about the kids being gone. all the others that followed them home.

18 months, and i still can't get past the "empty nest" syndrome.

Jamie is coming home in August for three weeks - and bringing new boyfriend with her, "as long as he keeps behaving himself" she says.

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Kathy,

What a blessing you are to these kids. I find myself in those types of situations as well. I have 3 teens and my house is filled with their friends. We sit around and talk lots of times and I love to listen to their dreams, frustrations and problems. I've had some of the kids tell my kids how surprised they were that I talked to them on their level and gave them the time of day, at the same time I was surprised that they gave me the time of day and didn't think that I was some sort of over-the-hill dork. I'm a youth group leader for middle schoolers and have seen what a positive influence an adult can be if they just take the time to listen to these kids and not spout off lectures of right and wrong. Good for you and good for them that you are there.

Regina

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Regina

I can't figure out what's harder: being a teenager or being the concerned parent of a teenager. (Actually, I can figure it out -- being a teenager is much harder)

Kathy - havig same sort of troubles in Ohio this past six months, with friends of my son. One mother is a total ditz -- has for years gone "out of town" leaving son home... at which time wild paties occur. She called last week and said they were going out of town Tues -Sat... and that she had told her son and friends that the house was "off limits" and no parties. Yeah RIGHT. She asked that if there were any problems, that I call her father (who was my jr high principal, and who I am still fond of... and have called about her son before...) I don't think I need to explain the size of the party Wed Night. I went over and extracted my son and his girlfriend and made them leave.... then I called grandpa and told him. I offered to do the "dirty work" then and there and bust up the party - but he said he would "take care of it." I waited there

45 min... guess what - he did nothing. I called his mother's cell phone -got voice mail.... told her what was going on, that I'd fulfilled my promise to call - and that I felt some day her son was going to get someone hurt or injured...and hung up. I later heard she was home the next afternoon (instead of Saturday).

Her solution to the problem her son has (and he has a drinking problem)????

She threw him out of the house... he is now floating from house to house of friends with whom he often drinks and parties. My gut feeling is that he will not live to age 21..... but I am NOT going to be responsible for him.

I HAVE talked to him - and all the rest about drinking, and general stupidity that goes along with it (one night they shaved my son's eyebrows off while he was sleeping)... but I've had it with this kid. He is not welcome here... sigh

You and I are pretty generous - but I have run out of patience with this kid.

Cheryl of DRAGON BEADS Flameworked beads and glass

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My youngest is going into the Marines on Aug 4th. (not my idea, he's 19). He's the last to leave. I cried all night last night, and I'm trying not to do the same tonite. I don't know what I'll do when he's gone. I've spent the last 21 yrs being a professional "mom" before all else. Yes, I had my career too, but nothing ever came before the boys. I feel so lost. The bad part is knowing that it is only going to get worse. Barbara Dream Master

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Barbara Otterson

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:43:24 -0400, Dr. Sooz wrote (in message ):

I'm so sorry that your mom didn't follow through with what I consider sacred promises. Would you like me to adopt you?

Kathy N-V

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Kathy Nicklas-Varraso

{{{{{{{{{{{Barbara}}}}}}}}}} yes, there are parts where it will feel worse---but also some really GOOD things are going to be made available to you. Let yourself believe there are some wonderful things in store for you still--because there ARE!!

"Change is not painful--resistance to change is painful" Bill Mahr Sarajane

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{{{{{{{{{{{Vicki}}}}}}}}}}}

My oldest goes off to college this August...and I don't like the idea at all, though I do love the fact that he's good at what he does and working to get better. Still, I'm a mom and a worrier, so that'll give me something to work on-- letting go of the worry part. And letting go of him; it was hard enough when they first start walking around and not holding a grownup hand!! Sarajane

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vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from snipped-for-privacy@aol.comeatspam (Sjpolyclay) :

]it was hard enough ]when they first start walking around and not holding a grownup hand!!

amen. this part sucks. it's a big nasty old world out there sometimes.

**sigh** hug 'em all you can, while you can!

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So what would fill that space? Not as substitutes for your kids, but as the next stage of your own life-relationships? Who can you invite over to hang out? What activities would really give you a juicy experience, where the 'mom-experience' used to be?

Deirdre

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vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from Deirdre S. :

]So what would fill that space? Not as substitutes for your kids, but ]as the next stage of your own life-relationships?

well, beading - if and when i can get loose from having to work as many hours as i can just to keep the bills paid. sort-of.

]Who can you invite ]over to hang out? What activities would really give you a juicy ]experience, where the 'mom-experience' used to be?

i've found one friend, and she signed up for the gym with me, so we go together, and i've joined the rock and gem club. unfortunately, since February, the job keeps getting in the way of the rock and gem club. it has possibilities, as long as they don't want me to go on any of their "rock hunts" with them!

part of the problem is that the two youngest and i were SOOO close - we had to be - for 12 years when i was raising them alone. i'm used to having them around to do things with, their friends in and out, music going, meals, meetings, and all of the things we did together. my head was tuned to their voices for SO long - the sudden lack - both at about the same time - i just haven't gotten my head around yet.

and i really didn't mean to get into this here. i was actually trying to stick to beads. but i read every message. sometimes, i don't sit on my hands quickly enough. i'm trying to deal with it. i'm just not enjoying it much.

as for "juicy experiences" . . . i thought remarrying would do that. it hasn't, so far.

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I think this is the essence of it, right here. Until we complete our own development as whole human beings, we are not able to foster the development of someone else to that kind of completeness.

I think that if this cycle of emotionally stunted people trying to get their needs met by their offspring, instead of the other way around, can be stopped, thousands of other problems would be solved as a side-effect, or would never arise in the first place.

Because of this, I think that learning to complete our own development

*for ourselves*, in spite of how we were shortchanged by our forebears (and they were shortchanged by theirs, who were likewise shortchanged by theirs, ad infinitum...) is one of the most powerful things we can do to make our own lives and times turning points in human history, toward life-supporting instead of life-destructive patterns.

I think we can do this, without waiting for the previous generation to change and become able to give us what we never got from them. And if we do, then the next generation will inherit a different kind of legacy than the unresolved griefs and injuries of their elders.

Deirdre

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Deirdre S.

Maybe your daughter could use some of these - they made me laugh and my daughter cringe!: Ten Simple Rules for Dating My Daughter "Copyright 1998 W. Bruce Cameron

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vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "CLP" :

]Rule Ten: ] Be afraid. Be very afraid. It takes very little for me to mistake the ]sound of your car in the driveway for a chopper coming in over a rice paddy ]near Hanoi. When my Agent Orange starts acting up, the voices in my head ]frequently tell me to clean the guns as I wait for you to bring my daughter ]home. As soon as you pull into the driveway you should exit your car with ]both hands in plain sight. Speak the perimeter password, announce in a clear ]voice that you have brought my daughter home safely and early, then return ]to your car - there is no need for you to come inside. The camouflaged face ]at the window is mine.

this one is my favorite. someone sent these rules to me when Jamie started dating, because i told one young man, "she is MY daughter. harm her at the risk of your own well-being."

----------- @vicki [SnuggleWench] (Books)

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I think this is what I have found here in RCB, a group of women, primarily, who are the healthy and nurturing sisters/moms/aunts to one another that might have been missing in their childhood. Its a tight group, and wonderful to see. Diana

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Diana Curtis

Can I be a cousin, or a niece?

Celine

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Lee S. Billings

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:59:42 -0400, Lee S. Billings wrote (in message ):

Absolutely. Surprisngly, although my mother has 6 siblings and myfather has four siblings, I have surprisingly few cousins. I'd love a couple of cousins. Feel free to add N-V to some portion of your name -- I'm the only person in the US with this particular last name, so I feel free to hand it out.

You know, this is going to lead to a family reunion one of these days. It'll be something to see: mostly women, with a few really awesome men, multi-racial, multi-cultural, and will make the gay pride parade look dull by comparison! I'd bet the food would be terrific, too.

Kathy N-V

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Kathy N-V

This actually starts to happen in nations that have women heads of state.

Tina

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Christina Peterson

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:53:35 -0400, Diana Curtis wrote (in message ):

But of course: sisters, cousins, aunties, whatever. I love having a big family!

Kathy N-V

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Kathy N-V

This is dumb, but what about a pet? Preferably a cat, since they are easier to leave if you have to (or get to) take a trip.

Tina

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Christina Peterson

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