OT: Story - Sprech Deutch, dammit

My daughter is leaving for Germany in less than two weeks, and she has blown off so much of her German lessons that I fear she's going to be swamped. For the record, she got lazy when she found out that my favorite cousin, Elke, is taking vacation to spend one on one time with DD. This cousin speaks English, so now DD feels that she needn't bother.

DD is less than thrilled with my solution: I have "forgotten" my English in her presence. Of course, I use a simplified German with words I know she's learned, but she's getting highly frustrated when she asks a question and I answer in German. And, her perpetual eavesdropping when I'm on the phone with various family members is much less satisfying when you have to translate the conversation, and only get about half of it, anyway.

DH speaks and understands a little German, so when all three of us are together, we speak "Germish," English with a lot of German words and phrases thrown in. Last night, we went out for seafood, and I told the following story to my family (entirely in German, because DH has heard the story a million times before, and can follow it in German, English or maybe even Chinese)

--------------------- The day before my sister's wedding, Daddy and I held a barbeque for all the relatives who had come from Germany, to keep them out of my mother's and sister's hair. It was also a sort-of birthday party for me, because it was my birthday. My Mom, in total pre-wedding insanity had told me "We're not celebrating your birthday this year -- the wedding is far too important." (BTW, she wasn't kidding. None of my birth family even wished me a good day

- my German relatives were unaware that it was my birthday, so I can't blame them, but my mom never said a word about it)

So Daddy and I had this huge party. Because beef and seafood are so expensive in Germany, that's pretty much what we served. Daddy went down to the fish pier and bought clams and lobsters to serve to our guests. I won't ever cook either of those things indoors because they smell up your house something awful. So Daddy cooked everything on his gas grill, the one with the side burner.

The seafood was an enormous hit, especially with my favorite cousin (see above). Singlehandedly, she downed nearly 20 lbs of steamed clams. Of course, the weight of steamers is in the shells, so it's not nearly as bad as it sounds. When she was down to her last dozen or so, my brother, who feels that everyone appreciates his sense of humor, said, "So Elke, think you could save a few of those clams for someone else?"

Poor Elke nearly sunk through the lawn. She didn't eat another bite for the rest of the day, no matter how many times I gave my brother a punch so he'd apologize. However, all was not lost: the day _after_ the wedding, I had Elke and her parents over for homemade clam chowder and lobsters in Italian Red Sauce. They were very impressed, and I've never mentioned steamed clams in my cousin's presence again.

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Throughout the story, DD was getting angrier and more frustrated that she was only getting a little of the story, and that Daddy remembered and found it hilarious. So, I went through it again, slowly; and this time I let her stop me to translate a key word or two, so the story would make sense.

The next 13 days aren't going to be the most fun she's ever had, but oh well

- deal with it, kiddo.

Kathy N-V

P.S.: We were unable to figure out a German word for steamed clam. We call them "muscheln," or mussels, which are quite popular in Germany. And if some German offers you a hummer, take it! Hummer means lobster in German. (either way, you can't lose!) ;-)

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Kathy N-V
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THE TOPIC LINE ALONE is worth the laugh! LOL

You are just giving her an "immersion" course -- known to be one of the most effective ways to increase ability in a language. Stick with it - she will be grateful AFTER she gets to Germany... LOL Cheryl of DRAGON BEADS Flameworked beads and glass

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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:26:27 -0400, BGreen9661 wrote (in message ):

Yep, those small towns don't always have English speakers who are willing to stand up. A lot of people have had years of English classes, but don't feel comfortable admitting it - much like everyone I know who took five or six years of Spanish in school here. They know a little, but aren't comfortable or fluent with it.

I can't tell you if learning German is easy or difficult - it was one of the two languages I spoke at home as a child, so learning was pretty automatic. We spoke German when home alone with Mom, and English when Dad was home or outside the house.

However, I speak a fair bit of a couple of other languages, and I have to admit I cannot wrap my mind around French for the life of me. I can read it, and understand more, but the pronunciation? Fugeddaboutit. I can barely manage "Bonjour" without Parisians lining up to spit on me. (I'm not being fair. No Parisian has ever spit on me. I wish I could say the same about the Quebeqois)

What I'd really like to learn is one of the tonal languages, preferably Cantonese or Mandarin. Seems so cool to me, that a mere shift in tone would drastically change the meaning of the word.

Kathy N-V

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Kathy N-V

I have several friends who speak tonal languages, and they all agree that what you just said is a common misconception. The difference in tone doesn't "change the meaning of the word" -- it changes the *word* to something different. You wouldn't say that "lead" and "bead" were the same word, but when you changed one letter you changed the meaning, would you? In tonal languages, the tone is every bit as integral to the word as the letters are in English.

Celine

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Lee S. Billings

Kind of like record and record?

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Kandice Seeber

Better then in Holland where you can't find anyone to practice with because they are all convinced that not only is their English excellent, but Dutch is an extreemly difficult language which you can't possibly be trying to learn.

*sighs*

I am not sure but I got the impression that at least the more recent generation of Germans feels similarly....

marisa2

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marisa2

The last time I went to Paris, I went around the house speaking French to everyone to practice. No matter that they couldn't understand it. My son was

15 at the time and I heard him tell one of his friends, "My mom is not a crackhead, she's going to France tomorrow. Just ignore it." Patti
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Beadseeker

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 1:01:12 -0400, Beadseeker wrote (in message ):

That one's terrific! Thanks for telling us.

Not a crackhead either,

Kathy N-V

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Kathy N-V

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:14:17 -0400, marisa2 wrote (in message ):

Dutch is difficult? News to me. A friend sends me her Dutch magazines and I can manage to read the stories with little difficulty. It's not that different than German (and really similar to Bayrisch, my granparents' dialect). Imagine speaking German with a mouthful of food, and you have a pretty good imitation of Dutch.

Ducking,

Kathy N-V

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Kathy N-V

Pretty much... don't say it to Dutch people though (I haven't figured out if this is caused by a WWII backlash, or a general feeling of national pride, but Dutch people don't like to hear it is "just like German". )

Actually, although it has enough similarities with German, it really is a different language, not a dialect. We all had to learn German in school and it was a new language for everybody, with different words and a similar but different (and more complex) grammer.

Even for me (completely language "challeged" ) Dutch was a nice language to learn. They almost COMPLETELY standardized their spelling and much of their grammer in the 1950s (even more then German). Unfortunately you still have to know whether a word is neutral or gendered, though you almost never need to know if it is female or male if it is gendered, a difference from German.

On the other hand, the language spoken in the northern part of Belguim really is almost identical to Dutch. There was a spelling-bee like gameshow on there which the Belgese always won, despite the constant dumb-sotherner jokes (akin to dumb blond jokes I guess).

marisa2

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marisa2

I've had years of German classes and I'm not too comfortable speaking it. At least twice I've had splendid conversations with Germans who weren't comfortable speaking English. We each spoke our own language slowly and clearly and it worked great. Sounded funny, though.

Mary

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Mary Shafer

Yeah, but they're right about their English. It's embarrassing to listen to them.

Mary

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Mary Shafer

That's how it was in Okinawa. The Japanese school system requires the students to take English all through jr high, and high school for those who go, but they don't practice actually speaking it much-- the concern is to teach them to read/understand well and write reasonably well. They learn their "conversational" English from American movies and music.... A lot of women take "conversational English" classes as sort of a "hobby", so what they speak is usually clear, but limited in scope. Younger sales clerks did have a tendency to "hide" when I shopped in non-tourist type stores, although most of the "mom & pop" types did make an effort to converse. The only time one of the young ones decided I MUST need help, was when a group of bar girls walked in the fabric store I was at; they and I were the only customers, and I guess she decided that helping me was the lesser of two evils.... Kaytee "Simplexities" on

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Kaytee

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from snipped-for-privacy@aol.comeatspam (Sjpolyclay) :

]There is a narrow time window for learning languages, especially ]tonal ones, and its over early.

for me, it must have been over about 3 minutes after i was born.

**sigh**

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vj

Thanks-- just popping in & out.... AOL's beading group has kinda "crashed" due to a less-than-hospitable new host.... At Comic Con these last few days (and tomorrow).... Kaytee "Simplexities" on

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Kaytee

You all have lived through THAT before. LOL. It is a hardy group.

Becki "In between the moon and you, the angels have a better view of the crumbling difference between wrong and right.." -- Counting Crows

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BeckiBead

Well, true, but why does that mean I'm not allowed to try to learn Dutch?

Being that I LIVED there and had to go to school and all :)

marisa2

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marisa2

I think immersion is necessary for many people to learn to speak well.

Dutch people get a hint of immersion from all the English-language TV (they use subtitles, not dubs, for all but kiddie cartoons). Also, many college-level classes are taught in English (not just the English classes).

Of course, I still think that some people are just much BETTER at learning languages then others. Even amoungst the Dutch people who all THOUGHT they had perfect English, only a very tiny few lacked a strong accent. Most people can not loose an accent or the sence of grammer of their native language if they learn a language in their teens or later.

marisa2

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marisa2

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "marisa2" :

]Of course, I still think that some people are just much BETTER at learning ]languages then others.

amen. it's called having an "ear" for languages. my entire family is "tone deaf" this way. we seem to be "sub-specializing" in ASL, instead. [1 sister, 5 nieces, 1 son]

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[1 sister, 5 nieces, 1 son]<

This is GREAT!!! I have several deaf relatives (and my dad was pretty deaf himself), and I would have dearly loved for my DD to be able to take it as a language at her high school, but no such luck. She is learning it on her own, but still has to have another language for school.

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