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Mine too Charlie. Good night.
Shirley


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The "standard" for gold jewelry sold in the US is 14K.  Though 10k is often
used for less expensive production peieces for mass sales.

Tina


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That sounds really cheap to me...

Charlie wrote:

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Charlie
i just took a look at ebay and did a quick search for 9ct byzantines online,
and there are none that are priced at the price you are thinking of
charging.
the least expensive that I saw is 90 and the stores are offering them for
150-290...for 9ct gold.

I don't often use ebay as a gauge, because i think that people lookin there
are looking for things at rock bottom prices.

Additionally, your friend's piece will have what no other can have...your
time as an artisan.

Rethink you pricing and the value of your work.

As a life coach, I often have to tell clients that they often get what they
expect because they send out signals to the universe.  You seem to be
sending out "I only want to make a little pocket money" signals.  If that's
all you really want, then that's likely to be what you get.  But if you want
to be a jeweler, or a business owner, or someone who is paid fairly  then
send out those signals.

Go for the gold...figuratively and literally!!!


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Maybe I overvalue money.  I just don't feel it's worth that much, but I'll
raise them a little and see what happens.

Charlie.

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snipped-for-privacy@aol.compuppies says...

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Agh. Sooz, I understand what you're trying to say here, but I REALLY don't like  
the emotional blackmail in your phrasing. "See, it's all *your* fault that the  
other artists are starving!" Can you please find some way of expressing this  
argument which doesn't depend on guilt-tripping people?  

Celine

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 Where are you reading this quote?  And since it was written to Charlie, but
certainly could have been an "open letter" on pricing, does it really matter
that you don't like the emotional blackmail (which for me doesn't exist, but
it doesn't matter because the post was not written to me).


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snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com says...
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RFC. The argument of "it's all your fault" is STILL IN the part of the post  
that you left quoted below.  

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Emotional blackmail is a Bad Thing whether it was addressed to you personally  
or not. Perhaps you could come up with a non-guilt-tripping way to phrase the  
argument? (With which, as I stated, I agree -- just not the way it was said.)

Celine

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The business world isn't a nice place at times, but she is correct, it does
hurt artists trying to make a living. Just look at what China has done to
all the industry in this country. It makes inferior products that looks like
the real thing but isn't. I just had my things at a gallery where a newbie
was selling some very nice jewelry but terribly under priced. I doubt that
she was even getting her money out of the beads since I know what they cost.
It just isn't fair to the rest of us trying to make a living out of a
business. Black mail it isn't, just the truth.
Roxan
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Okay, one more try. The "blackmail" part isn't the argument itself, but the way  
it was phrased. It's possible to tell the truth about this *without* laying a  
huge guilt-trip on the person you're talking to; you just did a fair job of it  
yourself. What I was objecting to was the implication of "see, this is all YOUR  
fault" in the original post. That was unnecessary and not useful, as the most  
likely response to it is some variation on "f**k you, I'll charge what I like."  

Celine

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No one has to take a guilt trip if they don't want to.  You don't have to
get on this train nor get hurt if someone tries, it is up to you to let it
roll off your back and not get it energy. I found nothing wrong with the way
Snooz said what she did. If you or anyone took it as blackmail then this is
yours to deal with not her's.
Roxan

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I found nothing wrong with what Sooz said either, and it was directed at
myself.  On Usenet things can come over in a way they often weren't meant to
(I learn that a few years ago when I first got the internet).  I've
rethought my pricing, I've done the sums and I'm going to have a chat with
my nice local jeweller to see what he believes the market round here will
support - after all, it's not the same everywhere.  Now, I'm not saying I'm
not taking all the wonderful advice from people on board.  I am.  I have.  I
will continue to because you're all such nice people and have very
intelligent things to say, unlike many.  But I want to primarily sell face
to face, with the internet for a back up, so when people like a piece in the
street, I can say "here's my business card, you can buy it from my website
or give me a call."  The web being as it is, I can't stop someone ordering
it from Ibiza if they want it, and yes, it may be cheaper than where they
are.  But I cannot have one price on my website, and one price that I give
to people I meet - that just sounds like a sure fire way to dig myself into
the shit.

Charlie.

(I'll watch out for those letter bombs... *tiptoes away and hides behind the
sofa* =D)

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This is very important.  You DO have to be consistant in your pricing.  It
gets even more complicated if you sell to a shop, because then you're
obligated not to undercut them.  And I believe eBay also requires that you
don't undercut your prices.

It seems to me that some artists work around this by selling full price
(retail) on their sites, and opening bids some percent over wholesale
oneBay, but then offering wholesale or discounts for large sales ($200?
$500?)

Tina


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H*lls teeth!

My DH gets mis-interpreted ALL the time!  A lot of it is the other persons
perception - not the intention of the person saying it!!  I know this from
personally living with someone who is very definite about his opinions..
but he means well.. Only wants people to listen & think about what he
says.. gee, they might even get something out of it, who knows?  But it is
up to them..  And Charlie did ask for opinion..  Opinion he/she got..
Bl**dy H*ll!!!!!!!!!


Mavis

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Oh, that's not at all what you wrote.  You wrote ,and you quoted :
"See, it's all *your* fault that the other artists are starving!"
I merely asked where you were reading that quote.  Do you see why people
have trouble with your posts? Sooz's post was misquoted by you, your reply
was all about you and your wants, and you still haven't been able to show me
the quote that you posted.



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snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com says...
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Which is precisely what the original boiled down to. I don't see why you find  
that so difficult to grasp.

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Say WHAT? Where the hell are you coming up with that bullshit?  

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It's not *my* fault if you don't understand the difference between an  
illustrative paraphrase and a direct quote. From what I've seen of your other  
posts, that's not all you don't understand, either. And I think I'm tired of  
trying to explain things to someone who appears to be deliberately obtuse.  

Celine

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"Only the powers of evil claim that doing good is boring."  
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oh please.  anyone who thinks, and that would be you Celine, that she has a
grasp of English, grammar or writing skills, would know that a quote is a
quote, it is not your interpretation of a quote. I know you think you know
everything about everything, but the more i read your posts, and this wil
lbe the last, the more your ignorance and self centeredness shows.


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Oh, wow.  Celine - with all due respect, why do you feel the need to
reprimand Sooz for her post giving advice to someone who asked for that
advice?  I just don't get that. You point blank asked Sooz to change the way
she posts things, because *you* didn't like it.  And then later you go and
post a combative thing like this. Your paraphrasing is how you see things,
not how things look to everyone.  Charlie herself was reacting to the advice
in a mature fashion, and actually listening to what Sooz and others were
saying. It's okay for you to express how you feel in a combative way, but
not okay for Sooz to give advice when it's asked for?  I don't understand
that, but, well, I don't understand a lot of things.
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Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.compuppies says...
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So now you try to guilt-trip *me* with "Look what you made me do!" AND you call  
your previous tactics "trying to be nice", which is an oxymoron if I ever heard  
one.  

However, my point is that people generally *do not respond well* to having that  
done to them. It doesn't accomplish your goals; all it does is make YOU look  
bad.  

Celine

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"Only the powers of evil claim that doing good is boring."  
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I think Sooz is just trying to express something clearly, and is having  
a bit of a rough time so is being more vehement than usual, not because  
the concept isn't clear or because she thinks Charlie is dense, but  
because at certain times, when she is in more pain, I suspect that she  
has a hard time knowing when she is making herself understood. I have  
noticed a definite pattern to Sooz's posts, (and I hope I am not  
overstepping my bounds here in saying this, and if I am, I am *so sorry*  
dear Sooz), but when she is in a lot of pain she tends to repeat  
herself, as well as being more gruff in tone and using strong similes.  
For the not-very-long that I've been on the newsgroup, it has *always*  
been when she is in a lot of pain that her posts piss someone off and a  
clash occurs. She is not a harsh person... quite the opposite... and her  
advice is excellent, even when it's not stated gently.

-Kalera

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