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I know a lot, and I mean a lot, of reformed drug users.  I am talking about
substances that may have been only pot, or way beyond pot so I am way off the
subject here.  But the thing that amazed me in all of them was that every
single one of them had been sexually abused as a child.  Way over 98%.  Amazing
statistics.  In every case, as has been mentioned, they had something to
forget.  And in some cases, it took a lot of drugs to be able to forget what
had happened.  Adding MORE mess to the mess that life already was for these
folks.  A horrible cycle.


Becki
"In between the moon and you, the angels have a better view of the crumbling
difference between wrong and right.."  -- Counting Crows


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Kathy -- one of my favorite lines from Women Who Run With The Wolves (I'm
paraphrasing it here, and my memory is not all that good despite the lack of
pot in my life, LOL):

"You can tell the issues in a woman's life by the shadows that they leave."  

Spiritual awakenings are good.  They help push back the shadows, my dear.


Becki
"In between the moon and you, the angels have a better view of the crumbling
difference between wrong and right.."  -- Counting Crows


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I have got to read that book.  I have heard it referenced so many times.
KathyH
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I also recommend that you look for the audio tapes published by Sounds
True (your library may have them) where Estes herself tells some of
the stories from the book and elaborates on their implications.

I find that hearing people's voices adds a whole nother dimension to
their material, and she is a wonderful storyteller.

Deirdre

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The article wasn't just the small quote I included in my post,
Becki.  This was a long-term neurological study.  Also, the people
weren't tested **while** they were high.

It was a study done for trying to show the benfits of the use of
medicinal marijuana for cancer patients.

Unfortunately, since ATTBI changed over to COMCAST today, the
article and the tiny URL I provided isn't available anymore.

--
Linda

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Linda -- I realized that later.  After I had sent the post, of course.


Becki
"In between the moon and you, the angels have a better view of the crumbling
difference between wrong and right.."  -- Counting Crows


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I've smoked a lot of weed in my day & never got that stoned (nor did any of
my friends).
When I got bored with it I quit.  No side effects, no depression, nothing
negative.
I equate giving up pot with giving up milkshakes.  There were times when I
would think, "I wouldn't mind having a joint", but then it passed just like
if I thought "I wouldn't mind having a milkshake right now."
My experience is just as anecdotal as the one you mentioned and neither one
can be used to draw generalized conclusions.




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Sad to say, but those statistics dont amaze me.
Thats why I advocate removing the conditions that lead to drug abuse rather
than the drug themselves. I have no idea how to make that happen. Its
frustrating. No child should ever have to live with sexual abuse.... but I
dont know how to end the cycle, except for the ending the silence and shame
that usually leads the child to abuse of drugs.....its a start anyway.
Diana

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I could not agree more.  It seems many kids are traumatized at young ages in
our society and then tossed out into a world that further traumatizes them
when they try to find ways to escape their pain.

Laura



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The study was not on effects while high, but on long-term effects after
quitting.

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-Kalera
Mom of Juliet, 5, Sam, 3, and Ophelia, born 5/31/03
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Also, I feel real inclined here to post that there is a difference between
people who use drugs, and having a "drug problem." There really is.  There
really is recreational drug use.  That was not the case of those that I
referenced.


Becki
"In between the moon and you, the angels have a better view of the crumbling
difference between wrong and right.."  -- Counting Crows


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I agree with the people who are saying that addicted, abusive drug use is a
sign of other problems.  I also might add, "Well, Duh!"

The problem is that those problems remain undealt with.  For example, if you
have an inferiority complex, but getting high makes you feel like part of
the group, you have not learned to be comfortable in your own skin without
the drug use.  So you stop using the drug.  There is no "brain damage" but
there certainly is an arrested emotional development in this example.

And, yes there is recreational drug use FOR SOME PEOPLE, but for people who
have addictive personalities, there is no such thing.  So, even if those
underlying problems are addressed, the addictive person will never be able
to control the intake of the abused substance.   There are studies that show
addicts are low in the brains natural narcotics, and so their bodies crave
these mind altering, body altering substances.  This sounds right to me.  I
can't relate at all to people who can just take it or leave it, as in
Louis's milkshake analogy .

I think it is ludicrious that alcohol is legal and pot is not.  But , as I
said, my first preference would be that we didn't have to use any of it.

KathyH




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The basic reason is pot has no physically addictive substances.  It has been
called "psychologically"  addictive for some few individuals.  They are
hooked on the buzz (which can be
replaced with any other buzz) rather than the substance itself.
    Narcotics (opiates, the *caines mostly) have substances which the body
forms a need for.
    Caffeine does that.  That's why most people are not civil until they
have had the first cup of coffee or tea or whatever.  Prolonged caffeine
withdrawal (over 36 hours) can cause headaches and nausea.  Of course the
symptoms of narcotic withdrawal are worse.  According to some junkies I used
to know, it resembles a real bad case of flu.
  Apparently, there is a certain type of brain chemistry that make alcohol
addictive in some people and not in others.
   But I have never heard of any of the hallucinogens, (spelling?) which is
the category that pot falls into, having physically addictive properties.
  Like anything (except  lampworking and glass), it can become obsessive and
take over a person's life (after all, what is life but lampworking and
glass?).
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