Yow! Boy, the kid was right - again!

Sorry, I have to disagree here. It's medically proven that CHICKEN SOUP is the healingist food. Especially when made by a bubbee with kosher chicken. I would gladly do that for you if I could figure out a way to get it to you.

So I'm sending you virtual chicken soup. Uploading now.

PS - Isn't Vitamin C supposed to be good for bruising?

Cheri (Bubbee to Emily and Nathan)

It's TRUE. ~~ Sooz To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong. ~~Joseph Chilton Pearce

I thought ice cream was? Preferably home made but if not at least make it one of the good brands. Diana

yes, particularly with the bioflavinoids included. They keep cell walls from rupturing easily. Sarajane

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I thought ice cream was? pancakes?? chicken soup ( good for most stuff - yes)

what is wrong with you all ...???

She NEEDS CHOCOLATE!

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Chocolate Ice cream... yes... double whammy. Godiva make a rather lovely chocolate ice cream. Diana

Hmmm, maybe there's soem Hemingway cat in your genetic make-up.

Linda2

Don't know what Manda saw, but I can tell you what I see when I notice people need help. Mom gets very bright "apple cheeks", indicating she's feverish are trying to get a cold/flu. Pete gets slightly yellow gray and sweaty. I turn magenta when I over-heat. Last stages of life, skin becomes a waxy grey-yellow color and is visibly lacking in resilience (also visible in drug addicts). It's not hard to see these sorts of color change. And though not everyone can see when skin is non-responsive, most people can feel it. Often, other people can see the changes before we feel them, because we are taught not to listen to either our brains or our bodies. Men are even worse about listening to their bodies.

Tina

Or made by an Italian grandmother. I'll be tasting my gram's delicious chicken soup very soon now. Not that there's anything wrong with me. However bubbees and grammas are more than happy to administer precautionary chicken soup.

well, thats what I'm wondering---did she see something like a color change, was it postural, was it "something around the eyes".....there's many a tip off; and I'm just curious as to what this one was----and how others can be brought to pay attention. (NOT your Mom, Kathy---IMO she's not ever going to be someone you can count on for Emergency Help because she doesn't want to admit anything's wrong.) But your DD picked right up on it and did the correct thing. I want to know how to expand on that-----maybe you can get a PCP who is also better at reading the signs in front of them. Sarajane

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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 8:58:46 -0400, Sjpolyclay wrote (in message ):

I asked, and she said it was a couple of thngs: my color was gray, and my eyes started to sink. (whatever that means) Also, I was beginning to sweat and shake, and the room was not warm. Lastly, I was having a hard time signing my name on the credit card slip, which is what tipped her off that this was not a transient episode, and I needed to get outta there at that moment.

I have to ask her about the asthma attacks, too. She has come to me many times with my pulse oximeter (a device which measures the oxygen saturation in the blood), and told me to check. The normal value is

100%, although 99% is good too. I average 92% (which sucks), and most of the time that Manda comes to me, I'm in the eighties, which really sucks.

But she always knows, even when I don't - when my oxygen sats get really bad, I stop making sense and start insisting I'm in great shape. I suspect it's my color in those cases - Manda commented that she's seen my lips look a lot blacker than my foot does right now. That loud wheezing might be a tip off, too.

(NOT your Mom, Kathy---IMO she's not ever going to be someone

I know. My mother has always enjoyed tremendous health, and just Doesn't. Get. It. She keeps telling me that if I really wanted to be healthy, I could think my way out of this. Maybe that works for her, but it sure as heck isn't working for me. She's not being mean or anything, it's just her world view.

I'm working on it, but I'm having a helluva time finding a PCP who will take me at all - they see the medical records and say I have too many things going on. I'm also soaking my foot in water with MSM. The swelling has gone gone tremendously, and it hurts a lot less. One positive thing is that my back hurts so much that I barely noticed the foot in the first place.

Kathy N-V

gee...thats good, at least the foot part. You can usethe MSM in hot or cold soaks----at this point, you can probably get some relief from either.

also, was thinking about the kidney stones....folk medicine points to Apple Cider Vinegar as one of your new best friends. I've read to take a spoonful in water with honey once or twice a day to help avoid calcifications in the first place, and also to slowly dissolve existing stones.

Now----I want to gently insert the idea that you will help train people to LISTEN to Manda when she says "git". And empower her to over-ride people like your Mom, and continue insisting that you be cared for right away. If your Mom (or any balky person) won't drive and I mean NOW, then please give Amanda the power to call a cab, and to pay for it if you are not responsive. Have her keep the number of the cab company and the name and number of your (new? please-god-lets have-a-good'un-for-our-Kathy?) doctor in her wallet. Sarajane

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Do not take the vinegar and honey treatment, which works for many things, more than 2 weeks at a time. You can do 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off. I'll have to find the reference, but staying on it continuously has bad side effects. Just FYI Armand

Armand, please do find the reference; I have never read anything like that. I know many people who have had vinegar and honey at this concentration for wquite a few years. Its no more acidic than lemonaid if you only use a spoonful in a glass of water. And the malic acid is very tolerable in the system , especially by comparison to the ascorbic acid and corn syrup in most commercially available juices and drinks. Sarajane

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