Cutover Box: Needs 220?

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I'm kind of clueless about generators.

Last year I got my dinky little Honda 2kw and 150' of #10 extension cord.

Seems to fit the stated need, which is to keep from losing the contents of a
couple of refrigerators and a freezer - and maybe a little TV time and some
billable hours at the PC.


But after reading a few hundred posts on the subject I'm coming around to the
belief that my first outlay should have been for a cut over box - mainly because
it would allow me to run my gas furnace without hand-wiring it into a generator
and because that #10 extension cord has to enter the house *somewhere* and that
means considerable cold air coming in wherever it does.


If I had gone the cut over box route, and then still opted for the EU2000, would
I be able to attach it - as long as I monitored the power consumption carefully?

What I'm tripping over is the knowledge that some of my stuff (like the furnace
blower?) take 220.     Is there some magic in the panel that makes 220 out of
120?  or does the stuff coming in have tb 220?    Can the EU2000 somehow supply
220?
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PeteCresswell

Re: Cutover Box: Needs 220?
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
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There was an after market kit available that would allow you to operate  
two of the EUs end to end and thus have 120/240 volt power.  It involved  
connecting the synchronization wire at a different spot on one of the  
EUs then the manufacturer intended.  You also had to open the bonding  
point on one of them and connect them to the load in a manor that  
reestablished the bonding for that set to the other end of it's winding.  
  I don't remember who made the kit.  If your furnace blower actually  
requires 240 volts to run I will confess that I hadn't seen that yet.  
Is it part of a unit that needs the 240 for something else like  
supplemental or emergency resistance heating.
--  
Tom Horne

"This alternating current stuff is just a fad.  It is much too dangerous  
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If you can get by without the use of any 220v appliances here is a trick  
I use for powering our house during power outages.  On the transfer  
switches' "generator" input connect the 120 volt hot lead to both hot  
leads on the generator side of the circuit. Now all 120 volt loads in  
the house will have power, but no 220 volt loads will.  Turning on any  
of the 220 volt loads will not cause any problems other than they will  
not work as there are zero volts between the two hot leads. 120 volt  
loads can be added up to the capacity of the 120 volt generator.

--  
Mike

Some say we must tax corporations more.  What they do not understand is that
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Mike Swift wrote:
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Mike
If you have multi wire branch circuits in your home that technique can  
overload the neutral of such circuits.  Since neutral conductors do not  
have over current protective devices that can kindle a fire.  It is not  
the most likely ignition scenario I can think of but it is one that has  
happened.
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Tom Horne

Re: Cutover Box: Needs 220?
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:45:08 GMT, Thomas Horne


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Really?  Tell me how.  And please do cite that instance that you claim
has happened.  Oh, I know you're going to quote that crap about the
neutral current being equal to the sum of the leg currents when fed
like that but we all know that.  Tell me, please, how a 5 or 10 KW
portable generator feeding a panel with a 200 amp neutral is going to
overload it.  After all, 10KW at 120 volts is only 83 amps.  Pete's
little 2 KW rig can only feed about 17 amps.  Maybe they tend toward
the larger side of 17.....

See, down here in the good ole US of A, when I do the math I see that
83 is much less than 200.  Perhaps up there your amps are smaller to
match your dollars?  Or MAYBE.... You don't know what you're talking
about.  Strange but true.

And to think just a few messages back you were calling us USians
ignorant.  In computer speak,  

calling(pot,kettle,black);

John
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Re: Cutover Box: Needs 220?
Neon John wrote:
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John
Since I am a US citizen I certainly was not the person that was calling  
folks from the USA "USanians."

Why are you railing about the service entry neutral when I specifically  
said "Multiwire Branch Circuits"?  The specific instance I am aware of  
happened on a construction site.  The general contractors trailer was  
supplied exactly as the OP described.  The Multiwire Branch Circuit that  
served some of the outlets installed in what would have been the  
kitchen, if that unit had been used as a manufactured housing unit,  
failed due to electric heaters left on all night and the front end of  
the unit burned.  A closed door and a rapid response by the Prince  
Georges County Fire Department to the installed automatic alarm system  
saved the approved prints and stored tools in the remaining portion of  
the trailer.  The loss was limited to the break area, copier, and the  
tool batteries that were charging there.  The neutral of the multi wire  
branch circuit was twelve gage.  It was run in Non Metallic Sheathed  
Cable.  The actual ampacity of number twelve American Wire Gage type TW  
wire in cable is twenty five amperes.  With two 1800 watt heaters and  
ten tool chargers on the circuit the neutral conductor was carrying more  
than thirty amperes.  During the day when the copier would have been on  
it would have been carrying forty amperes.  The two ungrounded current  
carrying conductors of the circuit were protected by twenty ampere  
circuit breakers.  Without the 240 volt power applied to the multi wire  
branch circuit the currents added and the neutral failed. The neutral  
took the ungrounded conductors with it and the resultant arcing ignited  
the stud to which the receptacle box was attached.  Ignition occurred at  
the receptacle closest to the panel were one of the heaters was plugged in.

A similar failure without ignition occurred at a municipal gymnasium  
when an unqualified contractor hired by the city disarranged the Multi  
Wire Branch Circuit that served the high bay lighting for the gym floor.  
  The lighting consisted of three rows of four lights with each set  
drawing 16 amperes from a three phase Multiwire Branch Circuit.  The  
circuit was disarranged in the process of making room for a double pole  
breaker to feed a single phase sub panel in the gym office to supply  
electric heaters.  With all three ungrounded conductors of the Multiwire  
Branch Circuit moved onto the same phase the neutral carried forty two  
amperes until it overheated and melted the insulation off of the  
ungrounded conductors.  Since the circuit was run completely in Electro  
Metallic Tubing the resultant ground fault opened the branch circuit  
breakers.  The neutral conductor and all of the phase conductors of the  
circuit had to be replaced up to the point were each row of lights was  
tapped off of the Multiwire Branch Circuit.
--
Tom Horne

Re: Cutover Box: Needs 220?
I believe you have your posters very mixed up.

I was not addressing neutral issues here.

However, I did use the term USanians. I do not find this derrogatory  
in any way, shape or form. If you find this offensive, please state  
how this is so. This has become a common term as Mexicans call  
themselves Americans also and they also live in the United States. All  
North American and South American people have as much right to call  
themselves "Americans" as the US citizens. USanians are stated, in  
many countries of the world, as citizens with no name. I find Usanians  
is very fitting and an affectionate term..


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Re: Cutover Box: Needs 220?
Twirling his golden locks, thumb firmly in gob, Solar FemFart wrote:

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    /delurk

Where did you find it? Fitted like a glove, warmed your hand even?
This is what citizens of the USA  L O V E  about you, you are so  
_easy_ to hate!
You watch out for them black choppers over the trailer tonight Gimmebutt!

        ROTFLMGDAO

    /lurk


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This bastardisation of use of Usenet is just simply not right.
You, Gymmy Bob//J P Bengi//Solar F******,, ask folks to accept what
you publish as credible feedback on many topics and then you go an
post shit as per the response above!!??.
Posting from AIOE using the same MO you do everywhere else you are
challenged..!!
FFS..gimme a fsckn Break..! Just _who_ is the thick-head here?

Hear this, ..._you_  cannot imitate my postings. You simply do not
have the skills. I have unique identifiable lines in my headers you
cannot duplicate.
I have posted information _with links_ that identify you and your past
shenanigans throughout Usenet. What you do to yourself in posting the
malicious hateful racist shit you do (above)  is _prove_ to one and
all you are ***exactly*** the sick fuckup that I have documented and
logged on Google.
I cannot control others who pick up on my posts but I am able, and
will publish, further exposures as you make the posts.  
You change.
That simple.

Ln
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How about keeping your racial filth out of this group Wayne.

You may fool some, but the rest have you in their bozo bins. The list  
is growing smaller all the time.

Get some help man. Yo're really sick with your pedophile obsessions  
and nasty Usenet terrorism.

You have the sound and feel of a lonely male child in a room full of  
computers, each with a diifferent nickname, each with a different  
Usenet news account and a different faked personality. Trouble is you  
are so easy to spot, by most, as just a trolling piece of dirt.

Not working well for you? It is quite obvious as your pathetic  
attempts at attention get weaker and weaker. You ran out of brains a  
few years ago in the embroidery groups after the nickname change every  
post.

Pathetic, just pathetic. Such effort and nobody listens to you  
anymore. Go back a post more pirated embroidery files and software in  
alt.binaries.crafts.pictures The old ladies love y'all, I am sure, and  
so will the embroidery guilds. Their lawyers are hungry for  
commission.

Currently in use:
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Gymmy Bob aka Pizza Guru aka J P Bengi posting as "Solar Flare"


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1. There is no one named "Wayne" at this console, never has
    been and, given my age, never will be.
Wayne lives in America.  
Wayne has posted links to his story.
http://tinyurl.com/2gsyar
I live in Australia, Far North Queensland to be more precise.
I have posted photos of the valley just up the road from our place
http://tinyurl.com/yvqkzk
Not good enough?
How about I scan the front page of the Cairns Post
..nominate your day..  
and post that. You can then verify it with the editor of NQN
you skulking stalking sewer rat!

2. _Y O U _ are the one making the racial statements.
    I have posted recorded links with your posting domain  
    well and truly identified. Deny it now, it is far too late.
http://tinyurl.com/2lboqw

3. _YOU_are the one making claims of Pedo in respect of Wayne  
    in these "homey" energy focused newsgroups. No one else but  
    YOU is doing this.
Deny making these posts...please!
http://tinyurl.com/2atwwb
http://tinyurl.com/23p9nm
http://tinyurl.com/ytytk4

I am sure there is more if I go look.  
Point is. You have some idea of what I represent, no matter the
denials you chant.  
I am a firm believer of the saying "There is always a little bit of
truth in anything posted to Usenet as bluster".
So, I make you this single promise.
 YOU post just one more post throwing Pedo insinuation at _anyone_
anywhere_(NGs) and I *will* drop your name/s into circles of
investigation that will bring you a whole new world of pain.
Arseholes use the Pedo threat to bully members in forums and too
often I have seen it happen that the one doing the bullying is the
owner of such horrid attributes as "kiddy fiddling". You have raised
my level of suspicion with your bluster. That is what you have
achieved.
Of course if you are "clean" you will have no need for real concern,
but you _will_ be required to prove that innocence, believe.


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You have never understood this. Here it is again.
Like I could give a FF [aerial sex] as to who reads my  
posts _OTHER THAN YOURSELF_.
You can forge my posting ID, you can post any shit you wish in
anyone's name there is SFA I can do about that, but,, but I can have
YOU read all my work.
The side benefit is that _every newbie_ will read it also,,and that,
amigo, is how I succeed in keeping scum like YOU off the lists of
reading for the Good Folk.
You came here to Usenet on the back of DweebTV, with your bigmouth and
anti-social attitude it was only *days* before you were in trouble.
You grew from there. It has taken time but you are dying, effendi, I
feel it in my read, trust me you _are_ history.

Now you go sulk in your trailer awhile.
Do not bother with keeping an ear open for them Black Choppers, yet.

        ~~HAND~~

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Gymmy Bob aka Pizza Guru aka J P Bengi posting as "Solar Flare"


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1. There is no one named "Wayne" at this console, never has
 been and, given my age, never will be.
Wayne lives in America.
Wayne has posted links to his story.
http://tinyurl.com/2gsyar
I live in Australia, Far North Queensland to be more precise.
I have posted photos of the valley just up the road from our place
http://tinyurl.com/yvqkzk
Not good enough?
How about I scan the front page of the Cairns Post
..nominate your day..
and post that. You can then verify it with the editor of NQN
you skulking stalking sewer rat!

2. _Y O U _ are the one making the racial statements.
 I have posted recorded links with your posting domain
 well and truly identified. Deny it now, it is far too late.
http://tinyurl.com/2lboqw

3. _YOU_are the one making claims of Pedo in respect of Wayne
 in these "homey" energy focused newsgroups. No one else but
 YOU is doing this.
Deny making these posts...please!
http://tinyurl.com/2atwwb
http://tinyurl.com/23p9nm
http://tinyurl.com/ytytk4

I am sure there is more if I go look.
Point is. You have some idea of what I represent, no matter the
denials you chant.
I am a firm believer of the saying "There is always a little bit of
truth in anything posted to Usenet as bluster".
So, I make you this single promise.
 YOU post just one more post throwing Pedo insinuation at _anyone_
anywhere_(NGs) and I *will* drop your name/s into circles of
investigation that will bring you a whole new world of pain.
Arseholes use the Pedo threat to bully members in forums and too
often I have seen it happen that the one doing the bullying is the
owner of such horrid attributes as "kiddy fiddling". You have raised
my level of suspicion with your bluster. That is what you have
achieved.
Of course if you are "clean" you will have no need for real concern,
but you _will_ be required to prove that innocence, believe.

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You have never understood this. Here it is again.
Like I could give a FF [aerial sex] as to who reads my
posts _OTHER THAN YOURSELF_.
You can forge my posting ID, you can post any shit you wish in
anyone's name there is SFA I can do about that, but,, but I can have
YOU read all my work.
The side benefit is that _every newbie_ will read it also,,and that,
amigo, is how I succeed in keeping scum like YOU off the lists of
reading for the Good Folk.
You came here to Usenet on the back of DweebTV, with your bigmouth and
anti-social attitude it was only *days* before you were in trouble.
You grew from there. It has taken time but you are dying, effendi, I
feel it in my read, trust me you _are_ history.

Now you go sulk in your trailer awhile.
Do not bother with keeping an ear open for them Black Choppers, yet.

  ~~HAND~~
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"I was born depressed and never realized until about 3 years ago.  
I am 52 and went for medication because of anxiety."
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There are no threats in any of that work or statements you can legally act on,
anywhere.
There are no accusations in that work at all. What is contained in that post and
others
are you _own admissions_, written by you and posted by you from _your ISP_
They are archived on Google and have been for a number of years.

_Your_ implied threat of legal action is most welcome. Bring it on I say,, and
possibly
the end result is you..in the can, for a number of years.  
Peedopheella is a serious offence, I n t e r n a t i o n a l l y, one that does
cross
International boundries in determining respectable behavior. Your reaction to
what I have
read tells me you are one worried puppy, why is that?

        your turn now..arsehole.

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I am 52 and went for medication because of anxiety."
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//Lurry Lurks//Nagliar//t @z//Janice//g.busey//Solar Flare//Solar  
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There are no threats in any of that work or statements you can legally  
act on, anywhere.
There are no accusations in that work at all. What is contained in  
that post and others
are you _own admissions_, written by you and posted by you from _your  
ISP_
They are archived on Google and have been for a number of years.

_Your_ implied threat of legal action is most welcome. Bring it on I  
say,, and possibly
the end result is you..in the can, for a number of years.
Peedopheella is a serious offence, I n t e r n a t i o n a l l y, one  
that does cross
International boundries in determining respectable behavior. Your  
reaction to what I have
read tells me you are one worried puppy, why is that?

  your turn now..arsehole.

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Good for you. Didn't tkae long to crack this jerk.

Best of luck.

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/delurk

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Complaint filed with corp.execulink.com
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