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Why is it that I need a security dongle for software I bought? I have
to waste a port to use software that I own? I can't be the only that
is really mad about that. Is there other software that we can use
instead of the digitizer 10000?

snyper

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IME dongles don't "waster a port".  I've used some with Autodesk software
(AutoCad, 3D Studio Max) and they just connect between your printer and
computer.

Does this dongle not "pass-thru" a printer?


Michael



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Digitizer 10000 comes with a USB dongle, not a printer port dongle and it
does waste a port and is a pain in the butt!   But, I have yet to see a
pirated version of Digitizer on the net yet, so it works!

ps:  Berina Artista is much like Digitizer but has way more and better
features.

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Simple un-powered USB hubs are very inexpensive - Fry's has them for
$10. often with a $10 rebate. These are like Y-connectors, or electrical
octopuses. You can connect multiple devices to the same initial usb
slot. So they really don't waste a port.

  - Herb

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So that the software can't be run on more than one computer at a time.
It's a way for the producer of the software to protect themselves
against piracy.

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Most dongles have both a male and a female connector so they can be used
"in between" your computer and whatever peripheral wants to use the same
port. They pass through all data not intended directly for the dongle.
It is very rare, although possible, for a dongle to interfere with the
operation of a peripheral. They interfere less than an A-B switch.

The biggest operational arguments against dongles have to do with simple
inconvenience - the need to carry it along with your laptop if that's
your primary system, or the awkwardness of going behind your computer to
attach/deattach it when changing venues to and from a laptop or from the
sewing room to the den.

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Sure. There are at least a half-dozen other digitizing programs out
there. Some of them, like Viking's digitizer, also require dongles; some
may require having an original CD in the drive (talk about wasting a
resource!); Some (like Brother's PED) require that their card-writer is
attached (now THAT eats up a port with NO pass-through capability).
Others, like Embird, have no hardware protection.

  - Herb

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It's done so the softwear can not be pirated, I belive.  You can use any
other digitizer softwear as long as in the end you can convert to .jef

DQ

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I am in the process of having the HASP4 Emulator cracked for the
Digitizer 10000, I am a DBA and I know the right people. When I have
it, you can be sure it will be available on the net, I will post it on
every P2P site I can find. I wrote to Janome and the reply I got was,
that even they hate it. Their dongle is useless to me, I'm a pirate
and proud of it.

snyper


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On 7 Jan 2004 19:19:20 -0800, snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com (snypergva) wrote:

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It's scum like you that are part of the reason some specialized
software costs so much. With only a limited potential market,
developers have to put the price at a certain level to recover the
costs of creating the software. Then, they have to increase that price
to offset the losses caused by criminals like you.

gwh


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Are you upset that the person is ripping someone off, or that the person is
ripping off someone in your profession?

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Bullshit! The prices are so high because they want to make as much money as
they can.

Look at the CD market. They have been ripping the people for years.

Guess how Microsoft got so big in the market. They sold Dos for $29.95 and
included a 1100 page manual. Less cost than you could photocopy the manual
for.


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I suppose you are one of the people that thinks that everyone in
business is there just to see how deep they can get into a consumer's
pocket - I should point out a few things - not all of us in the
software business are as greedy as (or wealthy as) Mr Bill (Gates) -
personally, I drive a 1978 VW Bus, live in a rented house, and manage
to pay my bills on time and still be able to buy fabric and thread
when we want to (both my wife and I share the fabric addiction).

It is a gross generalization to think that just because you are a
software business, that you are gouging the customer for everything
they will pony up with.  I also realize that to say that the reason
prices are high is that everyone is pirating software is another gross
generalization - only a small percentage of embroidery folks are
outright pirates - most people who copy and share designs have no idea
that they are breaking the law, and when educated, will stop.

What is it you do for a living, you idiot?  Do you do it for free?  Do
you ask for the occasional raise (greedy, greedy...) or do you just
take what they want to pay you without question?

Besides, last time I checked, the economic system we live under was
capitalism (although I would call myself a socialist) - that means
that the economy works by a minor principle called 'the profit motive'
and Microsoft got big because they were better at the rules of the
game than anybody else in the software biz.

Anyway...I better shut up now and go sell some software....

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Scott - Tech/Developer
MyThreadBox Software
Digital Thread Matching Software
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I take what they pay me without question. If they do not like what I do I
will move on, sales boy.

The product I put out makes my company 1000's of percent profit and if they
do not like the way I do it there is many companies standing in line for my
services.

Many people pirate many things. They pirate embroidery patterns, software
and TV signals to name a few major ones. Proven marketting technique is when
the market gouging is reduced , so is the pirating. Some do it for the
thrill, some just because they are collectors, some to actually use it.

Pirating is one method that has actually been encouraged in the TV market.
In Canada the number two satellite company, StarChoice has discussed making
their receivers hackable, to add to their user base the way Bell Expressvu
did. It is a marketting scheme to distribute their product to millions of
users for the hope they will get "something for nothing". You know the
technique "Bait and Switch" or maybe you don't, if you are a starving honest
saleman.

I guess the marketteers better find ways to "protect" their software better
and spend most of their enginuity on protections schemes. we all know what
that means. The product suffers because the time isn't being spent honing
their product anymore. People get pissed off with the protection rackets and
do not buy anymore. Who wants to buy a software package for $6-800 for
something that has no waranty, sight unseen, and the vendor has no legal
responsiblity to deliver a product that even works. The buying is out on a
limb and without "pirating" most people would not even get to try the
package let alone buy it ever. But then as a sales agent you should know all
this with your MBA that you command such a high dollar for...ooops I guess
you don't.


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Well, duh!! And one thing they have to do, in order to make as much
money as possible, is set prices high enough to cover the costs of
developing the software, and the losses caused by criminals who steal
software.

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Microsoft got so big in the market largely through unethical and/or
illegal business practices. For years, whenever anyone bought a
computer they paid for MS-DOS/Windows even if there was no operating
system on the computer.

gwh


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More bullshit.I have bought many computers and never paid for Dos or Windows
with it yet.

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Well, actually, this one I do know about.  Many of the computer
manufacturers had to pay for the license to DOS/Windows, even if it wasn't
installed.  That's one of the predatory practices Microsoft was dinged for.

So if you bought from any major company (Gateway, Dell, Hitachi, etc.  Not
JOE BOB's Computers.) you did pay for it, whether or not you received it or
it was a line item.  Sort of like paying for an air bag in your car.

DaveJ

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Yup, they definitely pushed the fine line of morality many times later in
life. The original argument put out was that they original got their
markethold by offering cheap software to the public with a not -too-bad
product and nobody could bother to pirate it.  They got in bed with IBM,
then considered a giant by the non-computer people and that put them on the
market fast. The computer people were saying at the time "Not another Dos.
That's the last thing we need" Thier MSDos never did come up to standards
with many of the current Dosses available at the time like os9, C/PM, M/PM,
Index and Unix.

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Re: digitizer 10000 security dongle
This is a wonderful thought provoking conversation, regarding the security
dongle. Is cracking software stealing? Is using pirated cracked software
stealing?  Of course it is stealing, by definition pirating is stealing.  By
definition cracking software is stealing, just as cracking a code or cracking a
safe is stealing.  Did you pay for the stuff you got? If you didnt you stole
it.  What always slays me is the person who says they are a pirate and damn
proud of it, but doesnt use their real name as a signature. Little buggers I
caught spray painting grafitti on my wall were proud of their tag, but their tag
didnt include the phone number or address. Proud to be a pirate? Real pirates
had thier own code of ethics, something that I believe is lacking in a large
percentage of us.  If you stole something at least have the guts to say so. By
the way I am not signing my name because I am a sewing dealer.

Dave Johnsen wrote:

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Your definition is incorrect.

                    "Not paying for"shareware is not stealing it.

So you are defining, opening your car bonnet and looking how it the engine
is constructed, as stealing. I think not! When you start copying the engine,
duplicate it and sell the reproduced engine, then it is stealing, provided
it is patented and in the country that it is patented in, where the law
applies only.

Let's reword this to read: It selling your  software/product  to a person
for money with known bugs and defects and not standing good for warranty
repairs so that your customer has to discard the software/product as useless
considered stealing?  No of course not!  It is considered normal business
practice by salesmen around the world. After all, they have a right to earn
a living just as much as the next person even if they know it to be only a
"little dishonest" but within their marketing plans and rights, as taught to
them by the sales leaders they have studied under.

So you see, it all depends where you draw your line. But notice I did say
"YOUR line".

I am only posting without real name and email because of the criminals in
newsgroups that may try to contact me for immoral purposes. Most of them are
sales people.

Also
This in now way implies that I agree or disagree with pirating software or
patterns. This is only playing the devil's advocate. There is always two
sides to the coin, Because you can only see one does not mean there isn't
another.


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Are you changing your position from "software" to "shareware"? The
premise of shareware is to allow a potential buyer to try the
software, usually for a set period of time, to see if it meets his/her
needs. If a person continues to use the shareware program without
buying it, that is stealing.

gwh


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In this area, even the smaller guys had to pay royalities to
Microsoft, and, of course, passed that cost to their customers.

gwh


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