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So let me see how dense I am, if the distributor sells to a small retailer,
who buys at slightly lower than net, say $3.25 USD per sq ft, pays app. .25
per sq ft to get it to the door, they should be able to sell it for $7.00/
sq ft and be happy and pay their bills, etc?...  This is a retailer not a
wholesaler/ studio?   Curious, But how do the standard everyday expenses get
paid? From that "extra " $3.50?  Sounds like wishful thinking , but then I'm
not a retailer, and at that expectation , am not likely to become one.




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I believe the "wishful thinking" is the expectation that higher
markups will continue in the future. You now have Hobby Lobby selling
glass and soon will have Home Depot - possibly Michaels.  How much
glass do you think the local retailer will be selling at $9./sf when
HL, HD, and assorted Etailers sell it for $7.? (or often less).  The
most ludicrous "wishful thinking" is the belief that the big players
pay the same wholesale price as the small retailers.  They buy for the
same price the distributors do. They'd pay closer to $2. then $3.
Import Chinese glass is available at about $1/sf. If Costco or Walmart
decides to sell art glass, they'll launch sales at $3./sf.  That's
precisely the kind of predatory pricing they specialize in.  They'd
hold that price until they've bankrupted all the small retailers.

How much you need (or believe you need) is irrelevant.  What matters
only is how much you can get. Whether it's selling supplies or
finished product.  If a retailer's overhead is such that they can't
get by on keystone markup, I believe they either must cut their
overhead or face extinction. Many already have.  More will follow.
Believing that won't happen is also "wishful thinking".

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   Of course Home Depot etc can undersell anyone, but can they get glass
crated and shipped cut to size, or cut it themselves?  Is the hobby market
big enough for them to carry sheet glass in a variety of colors and
textures? I don't see it happening. I wouldn't want to be the manufacturer
that does it either. The backlash at the retail level will be enormous.
Groups like RAGS will lead a revolt!
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JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
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If you talk to the people in various departments in HD or Lowes you will
find that most of them have some professional expertise in the same field as
the department where they work.  My local HD has, for example,  a couple of
guys who have painting businesses working in the paint department,  the
plumbing and HVAC department is managed by a guy who used to have a heating
company, and same for the electric department.

I can't imagine there are enough "qualified" and available folks out there
with SG experience to staff even a chain as small as Michaels or Hobby
Lobby, muchless one of the big box chains.  I think you would agree that SG
is a bit more complex than stocking 2x4's in a rack,  and I doubt that HD or
Lowes would want to absorb the learning curve to train and/or find folks who
know even the rudiments of SG to step off into that arena.



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snipped-for-privacy@debrady.com (Dennis Brady) wrote in message
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Kinda makes you wonder how every other type of retail business
survives. Even Walmart does more than just double thier cost. Face it,
a retail business can't survive on only doubling the price. If you buy
a product for $1 and sell it for $2...you don't really make a dollar.
you have maybe 15% in shipping, 25% in overhead and 25% that you have
to pay yourself. Do the math...you won't be in business very long. Do
you really think big box stores only double their price? C'mon.....

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I agree with you, Andy.

The real costs of selling a sheet of glass include pilferage, breakage,
obsolescence, shipping, wrapping and packaging,  measureing/weighing/
pricing,  labor to cut down stock sizes to retail sizes, store rent,
helper's salary, sample boxes,  time spent helping the customer decide
"which" sheet they should buy,  time spent reordering,  inventorying,  time
to restock the bins, bad check costs, utilities, telephone, advertising,
shop supplies (cutters and oil, etc.) and GOK what else.

I suppose if I were the only source for art glass in a whole region and I
had a volume that was truckloads of glass per month, selling out of a
warehouse-type space (rather than high-end retail shop),  I "maybe" could
survive on keystone pricing,  if I were to institute a minimum order of  $75
or $100 per ticket.

Personally,  I think Dennis has been sniffing some of that turbo flux....or
something.



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I've sold products to Costco.  They often markup as little as 30 to 50%.

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snipped-for-privacy@debrady.com (Dennis Brady) wrote in message
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Yes, that's true. But they also mark up some items over 300%. Using
your example is not a fair assumption on all products. On the same
line, a retailer of any sort doesn't keystone or higher every product
they carry. BTW...in the past 10 years I've seen several etailers fall
by the wayside because they couldn't survive on keystone or less
markups. Besides, when customers want something most want it now. A
majority of etailers (not counting the major 3 big boxes) don't even
carry half of what they list on their websites and I think that
includes you. Who wants to wait 2 weeks or longer? Lots of my
customers are aware of etailers but they still shop with me despite me
having higher prices that an etailer.

Andy

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  This is your defense Dennis? Costco?  Finished high end goods maybe. Yes
they sell cameras, TV's and such that way... but it's box in one end, box
out the door at the other right?  They may make $150 on a $500 item that
they warehouse and never touch. You're comparing this to sheet glass?
Crated, shipped, restocked, cut up, breakage, etc etc. Use your head Dennis.
Can they sell all their products at that markup and stay in business?
You're backing yourself into a corner here. At what point do you admit
you're wrong?

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JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
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Dennis Brady wrote:
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The free market will determine when the retailer clears the field to
make room.
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Jack


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$45?? Whaddya drive...a VW van? I filled my Bronco the other day and
it was $70!! Of course, out here in Oregon we have about the highest
fuel prices anywhere!

Andy

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snipped-for-privacy@peak.org (Andy) wrote in message
 Of course, out here in Oregon we have about the highest fuel prices
anywhere!


You should have added 'in the USA' Andy - here we are paying the
equivalent of SIX DOLLARS per gallon!!
=:->

Regards
Elizabeth in UK
http://www.stainedglass.co.uk

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Crikey, is that US$ Elizabeth !
I knew it was pricey, but not THAT bad.
Here in Australia, we are hovering around the $2.40 US, and many people are
complaining.
I believe real meat, at least a decent sized piece : ) , is also out of
reach of many over there too, especially after the mad cow event. I have a
brother in law in Scotland, expect things are similar up there.
Regards,
Les



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are

It's nearer US$7, actually for an Imperial Gallon. I bought 4.8 litres of
unleaded for my lawnmower this morning, and it cost GBP4. For a US gallon,
that's near enough 4 litres, which would cost GBP3.36. At today's exchange
rate that is US$5.92.
--
Terry Harper
http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk /


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Which is why we stay on this side of the pond and drive big ole gas guzzling
Pickup trucks, and SUV's



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Thanks for the reality reports!!!
Here in the USA, we don't really have ANYTHING
that bad - but we do complain the loudest???
Hal

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WE? ..... WE?..... You got a mouse in yer pocket?  What's this "we" stuff??



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I just paid  $2.45 a gal. yesterday here in Scam Diego. Cheapest I could
find. I've seen it over $3.00.




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We're paying just about the same....here in So. Oregon. BTW...lived in
Diego for about 11 years, from 69-80. Loved it there till the last
couple years. Sure do miss the weather. Is the Homegrown album still
being made?

Andy

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snipped-for-privacy@internetdrive.com (Carl) wrote in message
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Carl or whoever you are...a word to the wise, don't be posting my name
or any of my info. You troll!

Andy

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