glazing and soldering question

Hi all,

I am almost finished with a 16" x 72" panel - one piece, and I was wondering if I can solder and glaze one side, and then turn it over and solder and glaze the other side.

Would that cause me some difficulties in the process?

I know I need to reinforce this panel with rebar. Are two 16" lg rebar at one third from each end too much? would one only be good enough?

Thanks for your help.

Marc

Reply to
M. Paradis
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I think you'd be way better off to solder the other side before you begin the puttying operation. If the putty runs through any gaps and gets into an unsoldered joint, you'll have a heck of a time getting it clean enough to make the solder flow. A panel that size isn't hard to flip.

Rebar depends on the design, but 2 sounds right, Is this panel for decoration, or a window/sidelight/or for a door? The reinforcing depends on the usage, IMO.

Reply to
Moonraker

I've soldered and puttied one side of panels many times. But, as the Moonraker says, you have to be careful that putty doesn't clog up an unsoldered joint or it can be messy trying to get the putty out so you can solder the joint. If you've assembled your project on a work board, then turning it over should be easy.

Andy

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Andy T.

If you're afraid of the flexing that will happen in the process of turning the panel, consider "sandwiching" it between two pieces of plywood. I build a 36" x 72" panel recently. I built it on top of a piece of plywood that was NOT nailed down to my worktable. When the time came to flip it, I put another piece of plywood on top of that, fastened them together, then flipped the work. I turned the panel over using this method a total of 3 times, the last turn was for re-bar.

Just don't do as I did - use plywood that is thick enough to really do the job. I got my panel flipped without cracking it, but it was touch-and-go.

At 16" wide, you should be able to shimmy a piece of plywood under the panel once it's soldered on one side, then sandwich and flip.

- Bev

Reply to
Bev Brandt

you can flip surprisingly large panels with only 1 piece plywood. also, plywood flexes a lot and large pieces are heavy.

build the piece on a large enough sheet of ply. slide the piece to the edge of the work table. overhang the edge some. using the corner of the table, lift the back edge of the ply until near vertical. slide the piece backwards so that the overhung edge is back on the table. continue sliding until the down edge is far enough back on the table. holding the piece vertical, move the ply from the back to the front. lay down flat.

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Charlie Spitzer

Gosh, I must be living dangerously....today I pulled a sidelight out of a residence, approx 12" by 80". I laid it on my portable workbench, cut the zinc/solder/lead with a Dremel as necessary to remove the 3 broken pieces and a single bevel, flipped it over 2 or 3 times in the process, replaced the glass and bevel, resoldered both sides, puttied both sides, and carried it back to the opening, resealed the wood/metal surfaces, and reinstalled the trim stops. I must have flipped it over 5 or 6 times in all this. I do this same process 4 to 6 times a week. I can't imagine going through the gyrations you guys are talking about to flip a panel over. I'd never get anything done. I frequently handle 4 ft sq bath windows in and out of a residence and flip them back and forth to work on them, by myself.

Reply to
Moonraker

Hi,

I think the difference is the poster using the plywood was dealing with a panel that was soldered on only on side or maybe only tacked on one side. Just a guess.

Thanks Roger Haar

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Roger Haar

Sure, a narrow panel like that can be handled by one person easily enough. Mine was 3 times as wide and unfortunately, my work area is pretty small. In order to turn it, we (my husband and I) had to take it partly out the door.

For the record, if I had a panel the size of the OP's, I'd be able flip it myself without any "sandwiching." Except maybe a good mesquite turkey and cheddar on whole wheat.

I think it really depends on the size of the work area. If you have enough room to get all around the panel, one person can probably tilt and flip good-sized windows. I definitely need more space. I'm not sure even my 2-car garage is enough, but then you know the saying: You can't be too rich, too thin, or have enough work area...or something.

- Bev

Reply to
Bev Brandt

Just as a matter of record, I flip fairly large foiled and leaded one-side soldered panels alone daily. Most are 20 by 80 or 22 x 80. The "over-the-table-edge technique described earlier in this thread works well if you're nervous about long, thin pieces, but usually I just get 'em from horizontal to vertical in a single quick motion.

~s

Reply to
Steve Roberts

I've seen a couple of home-made tables that are made with the top hinged, so that you can swing it up to an almost vertical position (about 75-80*) , with the panel resting on the "straightedge" of the table top. You then grab the panel by it's top, slide it lengthwise off the table top while holding the panel in a vertical position, do a spin, and replace the panel on the table top with your unsoldered (or un-puttied) side up/(out), and then fold the top back to a horizontal position.

I would think that an old draftsman's table could be converted fairly easily.

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Moonraker

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