just stained glass

Sheesh! I didn't mean to get everyone started insulting each other. Maybe I should have worded my original post differently... like, "I'm not into the glassblowing, and kiln stuff but I love making stained glass windows/panels. I'm a lazy ass, so would rather not sift through the stuff posted in this group that deals with glassblowing and kilns. Is there a newsgroup where people post only about stained glass? ....and not the glassblowing kind of thing?" I'm getting the feeling that this group might be my best option. I'm not looking for someplace to buy glass or supplies, just a place where "stained glassers" post hints, and tips, .....ideas about making stained glass panels, drawing patterns, etc. I can sift through the blowing, and kiln posts if this is the only newsgroup where people post the stuff I'm intereted in. It's cool. Thanks

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Will Woodard
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It isn't JUST the retailers you piss off. It's pretty much everybody in the whole glass business, including manufacturers, importers, artisans, and hobbiests.

Your entire business model, if you can call it that, is pure self-serving nonsense.

Reply to
Moonraker

windows/panels.

Ah, hell, Will, we're just having alittle fun at Dennis's expense and get carried away, or maybe not... But if you have a glass curious type question, fire it out there, nobody will jump you.

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Javahut

Nonsense. Absolute total nonsense. By your logic, then, I should pay retail pricing for the materials on any gifts I might make?

All you are trying to do is lend some artifical credibility to a bunch of basement bandits and wannabes.

The cost of the glass and metal in any stained glass project is a very small percentage of the selling price...that is, if the project is actually being built by a real professional artisan. Me spending $30-50 more for supplies on a $1000 sale is certainly worth the convenience of having a local source for that odd piece of glass or whatever I need on short notice.

I'm far from a hobbyist...and I use retailers for virtually all of my supplies. Know why? Because when that retailer gets an inquiry on a major repair or restoration or for new work that they can't handle, I get a phone call. So, I spend a few extra bucks a month keeping the local economy going, and it comes back to me in spades. When I walk into a store, they know me. I don't have to give them a customer number and a password and wait for two friggin' weeks for some bozo to process an order.

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Moonraker

No, Dennis. Wholesale is for people who regularly purchase reasonable and case quantities and know good business relations depend on both parties, so they know how the business works and what the terminology might be. The savings from this regularity for the source results in savings for the customer. Retail is for answering all the questions from people who want to spend as little as possible on just enough glass and other supplies for a single project, including the (fortunately) relatively rare people who believe that if they break a piece of glass they should get a free replacement and those who demand obsiquiousness ["You are the employee and I am the customer and don't give me that attitude."] Somewhere in between are the people who make more stuff than the hobbiests but not so much as the professionals but think, more or less accurately, that they should get the advantages of the latter. The more obnoxious ones think that all suppliers should somehow be forced to the standard of the more polite ones that treat them as wholesale customers.

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Mike Firth

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