Converting cross-stitch graphs to latch hook?

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Hello,

I can't find any information on how to use cross-stitch graphs for
latch hooking, so I thought I'd ask here! I've found that a lot of
people said this can be done, but I'm not sure exactly how. I'm
presuming it's not a simple one-for-one square.....but it may be once
the cross-stitch graph is enlarged.

Any hints/tips?

Thanks!
Kris


Re: Converting cross-stitch graphs to latch hook?
One-for-one can easily be done.  If you think you'd like to smooth the
lines, you can always change some whole stitches to fractional stitches.
  If you want the cross stitch piece to be larger than a one-for-one
conversion, I would recommend four cross stitches in place of one hooked
stitch.  That will keep the same proportions as the original chart.  The
finished dimensions will still be much smaller than the latch hook
project (unless you are using an incredibly low-count fabric), but will
be much larger than the one-to-one method.

To smooth the lines if you substitute four cross-stitches for one hooked
stitch is much easier also.  You don't need any fractional stitches.
Simple do three of the four stitches in one color and the fourth stitch
in the other.

A single stitch of color X which borders an area of color 3 could be
converted to whole stitches
X3
XX

In a one-to-one stitch conversion you would do a three-quarter stitch of
color X and a one-quarter stitch of color 3 to achieve the same effect.

This may be as clear as mud, so holler if you want more info.

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Re: Converting cross-stitch graphs to latch hook?
Whoa!  I thought the woman asked how she could convert a latch hook
chart to cross stitch?
Dianne

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Re: Converting cross-stitch graphs to latch hook?
Ack!  Methinks I got it backwards.  I thought she HAD latch hook charts
and wanted to use them for cross stitch.  Since I've thought of doing
that myself, I'm just in that mode.  In that case....

To convert a cross stitch chart to latch hook would be a bit more
difficult.  If the cross stitch chart does not have any fractional
stitches or backstitching, then you can do one-for-one conversion.  If
there are fractional stitches, you will need to decide for each
fractional stitch which color is more important for that square.  I
really don't know of a good way to convert backstitching to use in latch
hook.  The same holds true for any other "special" stitches lurking in
the chart.

The other big problem you will face is color selection.  I don't know of
any line of yarn that has the same shading and variety of the major
brands of floss.  Perhaps some brand is out there, but I've no evidence
of such.  You might have to consolidate some colors (instead of six
shades of blue in the same family you might only have four) and you
almost certainly will not get a perfect match.  In the event the chart
calls for metallics, I think I'd try to find a non-metallic substitute.
  Cutting the pieces to use for latch hook would simply be asking for
trouble since it already has a tendency to fray badly.  Unless you
really want a frazzled effect, I believe you will be disappointed.

You will want to run calculations first to make certain you can get
canvas large enough for the design.  I believe (based on limited
experience) that latch hook canvas is mostly 5-count or 3.3-count.  Most
cross stitch charts have stitch count (H x W) information printed on
them.  Use that data to calculate the canvas size.

Example:  cross stitch pattern is 60 stitches H x 75 stitches W and you
want to use 3.3-count canvas (3.3 stitches per inch).  60/3.3=just over
18" and 75/3.3=almost 23".  If you are planning to turn the edges back
right at the stitching, you only need an extra inch on each side so a
canvas that is 20" high by 25" wide will suffice.  There is a definite
direction to latch hook canvas, unlike most cross stitch fabrics, so you
will need to double check that before cutting or ordering!

I suppose, in theory, you could join pieces of canvas to form something
larger than what is commercially available.  I honestly do not know how
well that would work.  In some ways it would be like turning the edges
under while hooking and going through both layers at once--except of
course you wouldn't have those pesky corners to deal with!  If anyone
has done this and wants to share the experience....

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Re: Converting cross-stitch graphs to latch hook?
No.  She wanted to use Cross stitch graphs for latch hooking as it
says in the subject line.

Alison

On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:51:37 -0500, Dianne Lewandowski

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I didn't catch the subject line, but in her question, which I read
several times, the needleworker asks: "I can't find any information on
how to use cross-stitch graphs for latch hooking . . ."

which is the exact opposite.

One of those confusing posts!  :~)

Dianne

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Now *I'm* getting confused!  How is Alison's quote, "use Cross stitch
graphs for latch hooking" different from "use cross-stitch graphs for
latch hooking"?????  I know it's early here, but I'm more coherent than
that!!

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Re: Converting cross-stitch graphs to latch hook?
I think some of us were simply having a dyslexic weekend.

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Now I'm feeling like I'm really losing it!  But anyway, it looks like
someone fell in love with a cross stitch chart and wants to make a rug
from it.  I'm glad there's people here who can help!
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Re: Converting cross-stitch graphs to latch hook?
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:25:31 GMT, Addie Otto

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I'm with Addie, and see no difference betwixt the two statements.  

But on the subject at hand.  As far as I have ever thought, a chart is
a chart is a chart.  Anything that can be created from a chart base,
can be created from any other genre chart.  Be it filet crochet,
charted knitting, needlepoint, cross stitch, latch hook, or even
watercolour quilting.  Granted, some may need a little tweaking to get
size/structure looking correct.  Cross stitch charts are probably the
most complex, partial stitches and range of available colour.  If you
chose the knit a cross stitch pattern, you'd probably want to drop it
to maybe 8 colours, and eliminate the partial stitches.  

Tara

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Hi Kris,
As long as your stitches are square, you can use a cross stitch chart for
any technique. The size of the chart should meet the number of latch
stitches in your project. I understand your chart is too small, right? You
can 'double the grid' and smooth lines (like Brenda says) or perhaps the
piles or loops will blur the 2x2 blocks enough. It all depends on the design
I think - enlarged colorblocks will give a more naive look, which is great
with some designs but not with all.

Grea van Vlerken
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Re: Converting cross-stitch graphs to latch hook?
Great question, Kris! A coworker was just eyeing my recent Herrschner's
catalog and wishing some of the kits were latch hook and not cross
stitch. Of course, she was eyeing a wolf kit with about fifty different
shades of gray (okay, massive exageration there, but still... lots of
grays), but I was wondering if a charted needlepoint design wouldn't be
easier. So I'm grateful to you for asking! Now to uncross my eyes and
try and understand the replies... LOL
Tegan

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Re: Converting cross-stitch graphs to latch hook?
Hi ! from the original poster....

I think we all finally got it straight -- I want to make a latch hook
rug from a cross stitch design/chart/graph (whatever you want to call
it). Actually, I don't have a particular cross-stitch pattern in mind,
but I have found relatively few latch hook rug patterns that I like. So
I wanted to look through some cross stitch patterns and see what I
could use. If I could. I haven't cross stitched in years and didn't do
much of it to begin with (my eyes crossed and blurred and gave me a
headache). So I was totally lost at "back stitch" and "fractionals" and
"x3" (oh, my!).

But I think I got it. I think? I know to avoid detail, etc. etc.
Actually, I was thinking of starting with an Amish quilt design or
something graphic vs. a picture.

Will take more tips/hints though!!!!!

Kris

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Re: Converting cross-stitch graphs to latch hook?
Sorry about the confusion.  As I said, I've thought about going the
other direction so had that etched into my brain.  I think quilt designs
would be lovely in latch hook and shouldn't be too difficult to convert.
    If you don't have any charts of quilt designs, you should be able to
take a drawing of the design and overlay a piece of graph paper to
produce your own.  Even better is to have your local copy center
(assuming you have one) transfer the grid from graph paper to an acetate
page (overhead projection sheet) because then you can mark on it with
water soluble markers and reuse the sheet.  Of course there's the higher
tech options of using charting software.

Since you haven't cross stitched in years, I would say if the chart
looks too complicated for you to cross stitch, it is probably too
complicated to use for latch hook.  That should be a simple rule!  :-)

Keep posting your ideas.

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What about needlepoint charts/designs?  A great many of them consist of
just tent stitch, so there'd be no fear of having fractionals in the
chart.  Now, you'd have to be careful, since many needlepoint designs
use anything *but* tent stitch (half cross), but the same can be said of
cross stitch designs.

Have you looked at Herschnerr's kits?  Every once in awhile they have
some lovely latch hook rug kits.  Most don't appeal to me, but there's
that tiny 1% that, if I was into it, wouldn't mind working on it.

Dianne
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Re: Converting cross-stitch graphs to latch hook?
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:37:26 -0400, Brenda Lewis

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And if you don't already have enough :-)

http://www.quilterscache.com/QuiltBlocksGalore.html

Or my personal fave http://www.quilt.com /
Has Colouring Book option, I.E. print off graphs of patterns for you
colour in yourself.

Tara


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Ain't that the truth!! And if I have to get into "high math," then it's
too
complicated as well!

I started looking into needlepoint designs as well (Dianne's idea) and
at
Herschnerr's kits again.

And thanks, Tara, for this:

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Does anyone use a magnifier for cross stitch? I was wondering if I
should try that
and try xstitch again.

Kris



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