Cross Stitch Question

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I have a silly question so hope you'll all be patient. Until recently I
have been a petit point fanatic.  However, I bought Dimensions Gold
'Jewels of The Orient' which is a cross stitch piece.  If anyone has
done this piece, I've done a small amount of half stitch 'branch' coming
down from the top of the picture.  Now I have to do something called
backstitching.  Do I do this backstitching in the same holes as the
'branches' are in, or do I do it in the holes next to the leaves.  If I
do it in the same hole, it kind of hides my half-stitch branches. But if
I put the needle into the holes next to the half-stitch branches, it's
too far away from the branch stitches and leaves a gap where the fabric
shows. Thank you for any info you can give me. :)

P.S.  For what it's worth, I LOVE this new found needle art!

Re: Cross Stitch Question
On Mar 17, 7:25=A0pm, Maureen Grace-Miller
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Silly me, I always thought petit point was just cross stitch on very
fine fabric!  Guess I was wrong about that!

To answer your question, though, you use the same holes.  Usually
backstitch is done with a fewer number of threads than the stitches,
e.g. your half stitches are probably done with 2 threads, so
backstitching would be done with one.  It won't cover the stitches and
adds a whoooole lot to the picture, imho.  Now, having said that,
sometimes your backstitches will kind of cross over areas and stitches
*will* stick out the other side.  Once the piece is done, your eyes
don't really see those tiny points of the stitches, just the nice,
smooth lines from the bs.

I took a look at this design.  It's going to be gorgeous!


Re: Cross Stitch Question
Joan E. wrote:
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Thank you for the help and your comment Joan!  After being a part of our
local karate assn. for the past 20 years, I've become rather immersed in
the culture as my home decor reflects.  I'd like to pair the'Jewels Of
The Orient' with Dimensions "Mighty Warrior", but I think the face on
the warrior looks more Fabio than Japanese Warrior. :)

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I did 2 5"x7" kits that are very similar-- Geisha Beauty and Elegant Geisha.
They both have the half stitch's and the back stitching.  Joan's explanation
was spot on.

My little ones are very pretty and I'm sure your larger one will be


ps-if this shows up twice, forgive me.  I thought I sent it a while ago but
it seems to be lost in space.

Re: Cross Stitch Question
Lucille wrote:
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Thank you Lucille,

I have the patience of a gnat, so when I finished the few branches at
the top of the chart, I added the back-stitching right away before
moving on to the next area.  And I love it! You guys are right, it
doesn't show those seemingly 'out of place' stitches!  This is going to
be great fun!  Thanks you guys. :D


Re: Cross Stitch Question
Maureen Grace-Miller wrote:
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   As Lucille said, Joan's explanation was great.  I will reinforce the
fact that, once the whole design is stitched and the back stitching
added and the piece is framed or made into a pillow or something, you
just DO NOT see the little points of the stitches sticking out beyond
the back stitching.  Your eye sort of fills in the "wonky" areas :-).

    Now, since Joan mentioned that she didn't really understand what
petit point is, I will give the explanation that I was taught by Granny
and my Fabric Design teacher a verrrrrry loooooooong time ago.  I KNOW
the differences but let's not have a flame war over this, OK?  So ***In
general*** Petit Point ***usually*** refers to a needlepoint (which has
only ONE diagonal stitch, not two stitches as in cross stitch) design
that is done on canvas (mono or penelope) that is a minimum of 18 count.
  Since NP canvas is often 8 or 10 ct. working 18 ct results in a very
fine mesh.
    Joan, there are two types of NP canvas, mono and penelope.  Mono
canvas is made with single threads in both directions -- like an even
weave linen.  Penelope canvas is made with two threads close together in
both directions and this is the type of canvas I would use for petit
With say, 14 ct. penelope canvas, you can work over the double threads
and have 14 stitches to the inch.  For finer detail, as in faces, etc.
you can do the body of the design over the double threads and then do
the face over single threads so that the face is done with 28 stitches
per inch.
    When I would work petit point, I almost always used penelope canvas
and worked the design over the single threads and then did the
background over the double threads.  Since a lot of NP has the whole
canvas covered with stitches, it's a lot quicker to do the background
over two stitches.  OY -- pedantic teaching mode off :-).  CiaoMeow >^;;^<

PAX, Tia Mary  >^;;^<

Re: Cross Stitch Question

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Again, a fabulous explanation.   I know how to do, but I have no idea how to


Re: Cross Stitch Question
Tia Mary wrote:

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Speaking from personal experience only, I learned to do petit point from
  my sister MANY MANY years ago, before I even knew there were other
forms of needlework. I've always stitched my pictures on 32 ct silk
mesh, and my jewelery pieces on 40 ct. silk mesh. It does make for fine
work, but the eye strain is for the birds! However the silk mesh price
is now prohibitive, not to mention very hard to find these days. So glad
to find cross stitch!


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AHA!  So pp translates to "tiny (needle)point"!

Thanks, Tia Mary!


Re: Cross Stitch Question

Maureen Grace-Miller;878375 Wrote:
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Hi Maureen,
I am happy you are enjoying cross stitch. If you love petit point,
consider also  working a design on silk gauze or doing a counted cross
stitch over one set of threads on linen.

It is hard to give you specific information without seeing your piece,
but I'd look at your piece and put the back stitches so they flow into
each other. Backstitches should generally form a line (straight, curved
or branched) in most of the designs I have worked. Does the design come
with an illustration? If so, look at it carefully.

Happy stitching,


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