Is it legal with this group

This is a text only group, you would have to provide a link to it but unless you have designed this pattern yourself, think copyright !

If it's not a pattern you designed then it's not legal, period. Some groups may say it is or come up with excuses to justify stealing from designers but the fact is....... if it isn't a pattern you designed you have no right to copy and distribute it without permission from the copyright owner.

Having said that, if it is a design you created and you want to share it you can put it on a website and post the link here.

The legality of what you propose has nothing to do with this group. If it isn't an original design you yourself created, you're contemplating copyright violation, and that isn't legal in any group, regardless of what some people may do or what some groups may say they permit.

Thank you all for your Posts. No more needed. Do not need a long thread on the topic. Thank you again Barbara

Probably not Barbara - but there`s no stopping gas-bags like us!!!! LOLOLOL!

Pat

Bluntly - no - it's theft.

I know of at least one designer who has stopped designing for exactly that reason - her patterns are being stolen by people who scan and share them.

MargW

It's most certainly not theft. It IS copyright infringement.

One is criminal, one is civil. That's a world of difference.

I'm not saying that it's right or that I encourage it. But for crying out loud, it's not theft. More and more, people are forgetting that there's a difference. It's for reasons like this that large corporations can run roughshod over our rights as consumers...because people can no longer be bothered to pay attention to details.

Becky A.

It most certainly can be criminal as well as civil.

Give it a break!!!!!! Barbara

Copyright violation is theft - You are taking something that does not belong to you.

MargW

Did you actually read the link you posted? You pretty much validated my point. It's not commercial distribution, it's not valued over $1,000 USD, and it's already available 'in the wild'. Not criminal in the least. It's a civil matter, dealt with in civil court.

Besides...applicable only in the US.

Complacency, people. It's a deadly disease! Becky A.

Actually, no...in my particular case, I am not. Norway has a fund collected from the leasing and sales of photocopiers and other such things to cover royalties for the copying of works. Designers and other copyright holders are free to apply for payment from this fund.

Their failure to apply is not my problem. I've paid for the right to xerox things as I please.

Becky A.

That's great a fund collected from photocopies.. for royalties. Whats next.:) Barbara Here comes another thread....

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It seems to me there are grey areas (pun half intended) with counted works (cross-stitch, blackwork, assisi work) using only a few, very distinct colours. Anyone with minimal skill can sew as easily from a good photograph of a completed work as from a chart.

E.g., consider these pages:

(the beading, 2 cross-stitch and rug photos have patterns, if not colors, that are easily copied) (this site was a bad choice - some close-ups would be easy to copy, but now I want to buy some of the patterns!) (A test piece I just finished, it's full of mistakes and the font is long out of copyright)The point I'm trying to make is that for designs with few colors,a good photo of a completed work, while probably not subject tocopyright restrictions, is just as useful as a diagram copy toconsumers (needleworkers). Unless your eyes have 'perfectpitch', I'm guessing the issue doesn't arise for patterns withmany colors or subtle gradations of shade. Have any needleworkers come across this problem/dilemma when posting photos of completed works designed by others, especially when using enough resolution to show how good/bad your stitch technique is?

One of the great truths of newsgroups is that s/he who starts the thread seldom has any say on when it ends (or where it goes, for that matter). Dawne

It is not always 100% theft , sometimes it is using wrongly or without permission ,,, the line is delicate . When i quote a sentence from an article and write ,, " 3 X Zt " ,, as mrs so and so said in her book so and so ,,, this is PERFECTLY Legal , appropriate and done !!!!! and you don`t even have to ask permission . But if i will copy a whole lecture or article ,,,,,with out asking permission , it isn`t legal .

If you bought a book of patterns , let`s say ... Nicky Epstein`s KNITTED EMBELISHMENTS , Interwaeve Press 1999. or Better Homes and Gardens 2001 CROSS STITCH designs , Better homes and gardens , 1999.

I promise you , both books were intended as a librarry of patterns , to be used and used by the buyers , without Calling the publisher everytime they she wants to embroider or knit 1 leaf or flower pattern from those books !!!! mirjam

You hit on the operative words Mirjam....... used by the buyers. Of course it's legal for someoe who purchased the book to use it. What isn't legal (and what we are talking about) is you as the buyer of the book making copies of one or two of the patterns and handing them out to your friends so they don't have to buy the book.