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I have done a lot of needlepoint but the one question that I am hoping  
someone out here has an answer for.
Most of the canvas' that I do are handpainted  and sometime the color  
differentiation is hard to see when working so up-close. I would like to be  
able to 'mark' the canvas in areas that I really need to be able to  
distinguish the color the variations.
I have tried a highlighter pen which works but can discolor the threads the  
being pulled through. Pencils/ink pens are out because of the same problems  
only worse.
Any ideas / recommendations?


Thanks

Cindy  



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Definitely do NOT use highlighter pens. The paint which almost all NP
designers use is artist grade acrylic, and is permanent when it dries - so
it doesn't rub off on your thread/yarn.  I have 2 suggestions - one with pen
& ink, 1 sewing.

You could use a "Pigma Pen" by Micron.  I have them in very fine tips - they
are permanent, and you can get them in several colors.

This link shows them - not suggesting to buy them here:

http://www.hofcraft.com/sakuraproducts.htm

http://cgi.ebay.com/MICRON-PIGMA-PEN-SET-6-Fine-Tip-05-Acid-Free-Markers_W0Q
QitemZ8286904441QQcmdZViewItem

Most artist supply places have them, and sometimes Michaels or AC Moore.
They come in several diameter tips.  These won't wash off and shouldn't rub
off, be sure to let them dry.

My suggestion is that you just mark the intersections along your color
change area.

Alternatively, you could just weave in a piece of sewing thread to demarcate
the line of stitching, and leave a long tail so that you can pull it out
when it's covered.  Personally, that's probably what I would do - but either
will be just fine.  Lula - any better ideas??

Happy stitchin'
ellice


Re: Needlepoint canvas marking question

Cindy wrote:
> I have done a lot of needlepoint but the one question that I am hoping
> someone out here has an answer for.
> Most of the canvas' that I do are handpainted  and sometime the color
> differentiation is hard to see when working so up-close. I would like to be
> able to 'mark' the canvas in areas that I really need to be able to
> distinguish the color the variations.
> I have tried a highlighter pen which works but can discolor the threads the
> being pulled through. Pencils/ink pens are out because of the same problems
> only worse.
> Any ideas / recommendations?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Cindy

I suggest you go another way -- try making a photocopy of the canvas
before you stitch it and mark the photocopy -- then follow along as you
do the
stitching.  You can even enlarge the photocopy to make the canvas
threads
easier to see.  


Katherine in Omaha


Re: Needlepoint canvas marking question
stitcher wrote:
> Cindy wrote:
>  
>>I have done a lot of needlepoint but the one question that I am hoping
>>someone out here has an answer for.
>>Most of the canvas' that I do are handpainted  and sometime the color
>>differentiation is hard to see when working so up-close. I would like to be
>>able to 'mark' the canvas in areas that I really need to be able to
>>distinguish the color the variations.
>>I have tried a highlighter pen which works but can discolor the threads the
>>being pulled through. Pencils/ink pens are out because of the same problems
>>only worse.
>>Any ideas / recommendations?
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Cindy
>  
>  
> I suggest you go another way -- try making a photocopy of the canvas
> before you stitch it and mark the photocopy -- then follow along as you
> do the
> stitching.  You can even enlarge the photocopy to make the canvas
> threads
> easier to see.  

Would you need to do that on a color copier or is there enough  
differentiation in shading for a black & white copy to work?  Probably a  
"duh" question, but I've never even been up close to a handpainted  
canvas and want to file the info away for future reference.

--  
Brenda
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I think you'd have to do it on a color copier - depending on the canvas. My
interpretation of Cindy's original question is that she's working on some of
the more finely painted canvas - which have a lot of color graduation - like
a painting.   I don't know that marking a copy would help - unless you got
the size exactly right.  But, you could do the tracing paper thing .

Some NP designers do what is called "stitch painting" - in which the canvas
thread/intersections are very specifically painted so the stitcher can be
precise about what goes where, and it can make the stitching easeier.
Personally, I'm not that picky - as it's an art thing, and if someone wants
to stitch a little differently than I've painted - that's fine.  The key
with some of them is being able to stitch a curve, change shapes.  There are
courses given in how to stitch a painted canvas.  Many people think it's
just so easy because you're not having to mentally go from a chart - but
there's more to it than that. It's up to the stitcher to dream up their
interpretation - what textures by virtue of thread/yarn and stitch patterns
will fill the space.  All that makes the difference between some really
magnificently done canvases, and one that is still nice - but perhaps not
quite as stunning in realization. And sometimes, just the simplest stitching
is best because that's what makes the design work.  Whew - sorry about the
soap-box.  When I work at the LNS - I end up helping folks come up with
their own stitch guide.  It's some effort.  And right now I'm supposed to be
writing up a couple of canvas classes for the shop.  She's got the XS ones &
Punch Needle set, but I'm a slacker.

It's a good question - I'd just kind of do what I can see and "feel" the
color changes.  Then again, I end up with having several threads with pink
tape parking them on top of my canvases - as a regular event.

ellice



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Brenda Lewis wrote:
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I would do it on a color copier.  Even without enlarging I've been able
to see the individual threads and colors pretty easily.  Heck, I've
even
taken photos and had them enlarged and seen the threads easily.
It comes in handy when doing something like cat's whiskers -- I stitch
over what's painted in the fur color and then overstitch the whiskers.
By having the photocopy, I know where they were originally painted.

Katherine in Omaha


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Hello
I have taught  over 50 years and never have I ever recommended painting on
the canvas   bad move
Here is another solution
Go to a drafting store and buy paper --- on a grid equal to what you wish to
paint     ( Like  14 to 18 )  squares per inch it comes in pads all
different sizes  and paint lightly so you can see through the paper  or I
used pencil crayons   nice substitute   you can combine  yellows and reds
for browns and match with the wool colours as close as you can get

Now if you outline the picture on the grid  it will be easy to follow and no
mistakes in colour

Hope this helps
Pat


> stitcher wrote:
> > Cindy wrote:
> >
> >>I have done a lot of needlepoint but the one question that I am hoping
> >>someone out here has an answer for.
> >>Most of the canvas' that I do are handpainted  and sometime the color
> >>differentiation is hard to see when working so up-close. I would like to
be
> >>able to 'mark' the canvas in areas that I really need to be able to
> >>distinguish the color the variations.
> >>I have tried a highlighter pen which works but can discolor the threads
the
> >>being pulled through. Pencils/ink pens are out because of the same
problems
> >>only worse.
> >>Any ideas / recommendations?
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>Cindy
> >
> >
> > I suggest you go another way -- try making a photocopy of the canvas
> > before you stitch it and mark the photocopy -- then follow along as you
> > do the
> > stitching.  You can even enlarge the photocopy to make the canvas
> > threads
> > easier to see.
>
> Would you need to do that on a color copier or is there enough
> differentiation in shading for a black & white copy to work?  Probably a
> "duh" question, but I've never even been up close to a handpainted
> canvas and want to file the info away for future reference.
>
> --
> Brenda
> Help Project Gutenberg--become a Distributed Proofreader
> http://www.pgdp.net/



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Something I have done, which would help sometimes, is to stitch the
middle range colours first. For example, if you have light pink, mid
pink and dark pink, I'd stitch all of the mid pink before I stitched
any of the other 2, and do the same with all colours where that was
possible.

I do know this won't always work.

Rosemary in Melbourne, Australia



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