OT: Cheryl Said I ought To Whine - Long

Hey - so, my excuse for babbling like a brook for a change... Cheryl & I were chatting briefly - about hockey & life, and when I said, well, y'know with the car accident & she said "Whoa, girl, WHAT CAR ACCIDENT?" So...my e-friends.....

2 weeks & a day ago I was in a typical urban area stupid car accident, and am essenitally fine - well - some might say a matter of opinion. Typical DC area accident. But, I'm still a little kind of whoozy in post-concussed sort of way.

The short of it is - I hit my head, sprained my back/neck/shoulder. It seems like I have some concussion effects. And am supposed to start some PT = once I can figure out how the billing/insurance is supposed to go. Nessie is a little worse for the wear - could use some body work, but it's likely not worth doing as the crumpling is mostly a bit on the rear left & corner of the tailgate/bumper. She protected me. But we'll lose about 6 months off the lifetime of brakes & tires - both of which were quite new (a few months). And now, we have to interview attorneys because we have the same insurance company as the person who caused the accident, and her husband is an attorney - it's become not so clear in dealing with the medical bills, etc - as in they seem to want us to pay for everything on our own personal, etc. Mostly, I'm annoyed because I cannot really stitch because I'm more blurry headed, and I can't really read either - same reason. So stupider than usual e-mail. Most importantly - the Needlework is fine, but I didn't get the rest of what I needed! And I now know why people end up getting lawyers to deal with this kind of stuff because it is really, really a run around.

Anyhow - if you want to read the details - they are below.

Those of you familiar with DC will appreciate this, and since we're all stitchers - you'll totally get it.

I had to do stitching errands, and had gone into Falls Church to swap some threads, returning some Splendor silk, picking up some overdye & Burmilama for my canvas Tropical Birds piece. Was going from Needlewoman East to Waste Knot in Arlington to enjoy more S.E.X. While on Lee Highway, which is a major 4 lane E-W (Rt 29) Rd, at nearly 4, on Thursday, stopped behind 2 cars waiting to turn left, a car stopped behind me, when WHAM. It took 250' for me to get Nessie to stop, and I'd been stopped for about 15 secs. Had to get her on the median, then into just pavement (curb had ended) median, in park, and turned off - standing on brakes. Very fun. The brand new, with paper temp tags Hyundai sedan behind me pretty much totalled - smashed left front, right rear - he couldn't control his car. The guy in front - I hit him, but not too badly - the # 1 car - as soon as he heard it start - hit the gas and peeled out, the # 2 car (which I hit) also kind of zig-zagged as I was trying not to push us into the oncoming lanes - and he beat it. DH suspects they didn't want to chat with the police. We left lots of rubber on the street - smoke pouring out of the hood. Eventually stopped. Fortunately there was a private ambulance in the right lane that saw the whole thing - they were behind a couple of cars, and stopped with the Hyundai up on the right where he landed, and this Volvo XC stopped up on the right ahead - which at first I thought was some good samaritan as the woman hopped out making calls.

Now for the typical Metro DC confusion: I call 911 & am giving the dispatcher info, cross street, house # to which she replies " this is Fairfax You're in Arlington" -me"Well - I'm in the accident" we go thru this a few times, and I finally yell at her that there is only one 911, so she transfers it just as the fire engine shows up Thankfully the private ambulance medics had hopped right out to take care of the Hyundai guy who appeared to be having a heart attack, and had lost control of his car. Plus was driving with his handicap parking tag hanging (Against the law -it blocks your vision), and had a big bandage on his left arm). One of them came to help me, and then grabbed the phone to talk to the silly dispatcher from 911, which helped. About then the engine arrived. This nice guy then told me "no, not a good samaritan - she's the one who caused the accident."

Next - a county ambulance comes - and a couple of guys come over - ask me if I need a bus, and of course I know one of them from the old days, and say no, I'll go on my own after my husband comes for me, blah, blah.

Now I finally get out of Nessie - walk across, get on the sidewalk. But first - assure myself, the Needlework is OK - it has only fallen from the front seat to the wheel well - and put it back on the seat - seems fine.Whew. The Volvo lady comes over - she is flippin' out - can't find her insurance, gives me her business card, we have the same insurance, though, she tells me it's her fault. Because....in rush hour....she decided that...she should READ THE FOLDED PIECE OF PAPER ON THE SEAT BESIDE HER !!! And that by the time she looked up again, well it was TOO LATE TO STOP! I mean REALLY!! She had to be going at least 40+ mph to push the Hyundai & and Expedition that were already stopped so far. I was nice, didn't yell, tried to calm her down. Although when the police first started to interview us she did say we had stopped short & I said -um, no - we were already stopped, then she retracted and corrected herself. She seems very nice - she does like charity parties kind of part-time. The police officer in charge comes to talk to me, after I fill out some forms, and he tells me she's being charged, be sure that my insurance company knows the salient stuff. He's shaking his head about her asking if she can drive her car. Another guy asks if I can move my car & I say no, because it has no brakes - but he's welcome to do it - so the police & fire guys move Nessie to the right.

Next - and saving the best for last. She asked if I'd called my husband

- she was scared to call hers. So I called mine, then she called hers. We arranged our tows. Police took care of totalled car. DH comes, one of the police waits with me & DH, she leaves with some guy (before DH came) - I assume in another car. Next morning 8:30, she calls to make sure I'm okay, tells me that her husband, a lawyer, of course, has told them they're going to be sued - I say, well, I guess you have to worry about the Hyundai guy - as DH is waving paper at me "she may be recording don't say anything." Then she says " I felt bad - we left you there - did you drive your car?" No, we waited for the tow. "Oh, well, our friend came to get me, our son's play little league - he's another lawyer - and he said that stuff (engine coolant) was just the washer fluid - so I drove my car to the shop in Falls Church (5-6 mi). We didn't want our sons to be late to little league. I guess I shouldn't have done that because the mechanic in the shop yelled at me. Me- gasping = what - you cancelled the tow truck? Her - yes -we didn't want to wait and he thought it was just the washer fluid. Did you know there was some bar under the car and it was all bent up? The mechanic said I could've blown the engine or something?" Me "Yup. Why did you do that?" Her "How did you know?" Me "Well - I'm a mechanical engineer, but aside from that, the Fire & Rescue guy who came to clean up all the stuff that poured out of your smashed front end told you it was the coolant, the police told you not to drive it & I told you that the engine safety mounts had probably done their job - the wrecker guy also told you - so like 5 people who know about cars told you not to drive it & a lawyer told you it was washer fluid?" I guess she was really lucky not to harm herself or cause another huge accident on the way.

Ellice

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Ellice K.
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....snipped Ellice's long tale of "woe" and you should call it "woe."

{{{{{{Ellice}}}}}}}

Hope you are feeling better soon!!!!

Nancy

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Nancy Spera

Thanks, Nancy. It's my excuse for whining. Sadly, I wish it could be the excuse for wine - but it just doesn't mix..... {{{}}} appreciated.

Ellice

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Ellice K.

Thanks. Same thing that the DH said. I've been trying to keep notes. Not to hard, pretty boring. I'm doing the bunch of lawyer interviews on Monday. I'd been sort of putting that off, I suppose - but it's clear I have to do that. The easy thing is that now the phones keep such good records of all your calls.

Just remembering to keep a running diary, so to speak. Poor DH has to listen every night to my "oh, look - I'm still bruised here, or my back aches and to what do I attribute this" because it couldn't possibly be getting old.

And, while I've been in 2 other car accidents - one in undergrad school, my parents' attorney dealt with whatever, as did some DA because there were criminal charges against the guys who caused the accident - it involved them pulling an illegal U-turn in the middle of a street in Coconut Grove, latish at night, in front of a gated yacht club - the guard saw it, I t-boned them

- but they were a- coked up, b-switched drivers, c-fled the scene d- while the original driver was trying to cover the license plate while tying his jean jacket over the license plate from the louvers covering the rear window of his Z car. It was very comedic. Topped only by their attorney never bother finding out in the depositions what the actual "fraternity" party I was returning from was. So, when at the criminal proceedings, upon redirect the ADA asked " Could you explain to us exactly what the nature of the Fraternity function you were returning from was & I answered "Yes, Tau Beta Pi - The National Engineering Honor Society - we were holding the Initiation for new members - with a requirement of a 3.6 out of 4.0 gpa..." Took some wind out of those sails. And then one in France, that one I was on work duty, so just got leave with pay, so.....and another while on travel - some lady in a mini-van ran a stop sign, and t-boned me - I got leave with pay, no big deal. So this is kind of a new experience. Oh, well.

Live & learn.

Ellice

Ellice

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Ellice K.

I have oodles of such stories from 2 decades in litigation....

My favorite, she'd gotten a plant for $1 at Woolworth's, set it on the passenger seat, it fell down as she made the turn, and so, in order to avoid damage to the $1 plant, she caused $50,000 damage to her neighbor's fence/landscaping/house. But, by golly, her $1 plant was OK!

Fortunately, the men around me take me seriously. When my boss was ordered by Big Boss that he had to get a cell phone, he asked my input and I said two things: (1) 99% of the time, I need to talk AT you, not WITH you, so as long as it comes with voice mail, and (2) if I ever hear road noise in the background, I'm hanging up immediately.

A few weeks later, he called, I heard road noise, and the first words out of his mouth were "Scott's driving".

My beloved, after I gave him a lecture when he answered the phone with me in the car (which is legal in the state we were in), now starts his calls with "I'm parked at a rest stop" or "I'm stopped at a coffee shop". He has not seen the accident photos I have seen, but he believes me that they are not pictures he wishes to aspire to look like.

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Karen C in Calif

ROFLMAO!

I love a good bad-lawyer story!

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Karen C in Calif

{{{{{{{{{{Ellice & Nessie}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} If you haven't gone to a chiropractor, DO IT NOW!!! I also assume you have gone to a regular MD so make sure you are good and follow all the do's & don'ts!!! We don't want to have you get any worse than you already are. And for heaven's sake, make sure that you keep us posted on how you are doing. I am soooo glad you aren't hurt too badly but those soft tissue injuries take forever to heal so be careful. Don't push yourself to do anything that hurts, OK? OOOOOOOO good luck with the lawyers & the silly twit who caused the accident. Sending more {{{{Ellice}}}}, kitty kisses & some healing dog slime your way. CiaoMeow >^;;^<

PAX, Tia Mary /\___/\

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Tia Mary

Ditto on the hugs and good wishes. Car accidents are *such* a pain in the patoot!

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ndjoan

Yes, I did indeed go to the doc the next day. DH took day off to schlep me around, the only person we could get into was the PA (Phys Assist) who generally sees him, often for removing his stitches. Her remark was "I really don't want to be taking care of you, would much rather be your friend." But she gave me drugs, and told me to be a slug, lay around with heating pads during the day, etc. Take the muscle relaxer stuff at night, pain med in mid-day. I try not to do the pain med.

Yup - that would be the issue. We had to hire someone to come do a bit of yard stuff that otherwise I would've done with a bit of help from DH. I'm getting a bit more annoyed now that I still actually feel essentially cruddy. More annoying, cannot really stitch, because I end up ripping more because my head is bothering me.

Now - before you yell - I know out of care - I did speak with my real doc last week and she suggested I start PT for the soft tissue stuff. However, since I'm becoming a bit concerned that the lump on my head is still a bit painful, and DH is also now saying things like "do you think you could have a minor subdural hematoma....or do you think it was just a minor concussion...?" Anyhow - called in today, and I'm going to see the NP at the office tomorrow - as it was her - who I adore, or the partner who I totally clash with. None of the other doctors have time until late next week, my doctor until May 4, so... I suspect that the PA couldn't tell that I had concussion symptoms, as I'm pretty much still articulate, relatively speaking, and I'm suffering some issues from one of my other neuro meds so that can confuse the issue. Anyhow, that's the deal.

Much appreciated. I'm going to do some phone interviews with a few referred lawyers and see what gives after I see the NP/doctor tomorrow. I'm sure if the NP is concerned, my doctor is in at the office - she'll follow up.

LOL - Puckster also thanks you for the additional slime & kisses to accompany his steady supply!

Now, I'm going to slink downstairs & go watch da' CAPS hopefully take it to da' Bruins....DH has gone with a friend - I couldn't possibly deal with the crowd and the noise.

Thanks again for the hugs. Ellice

*big snip of my whining*
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Ellice K.

My thoughts precisely!

Ellice

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Ellice K.

Dear Ellice,

Sorry to hear of all this. And that you're still suffering.=20

And that you aren't even at the game. That's just insult on top of injury.= =20

I do remember when Rachel hit her head against the concrete box that we did= not realize until about a week later that she probably had suffered a conc= ussion. (Don't worry. She did go to the emergency room and have a trip thro= ugh the CT scanner.) She was kind of spaced out and not paying attention in= school, moody and irritable. And one day she looked at me across the dinne= r table and I realized what was going on. Took about 3 weeks for her return= to normal.=20

Hope you feel better soon!

Donna in Virginia

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Donna

Hey Ellice, have been following this saga with a whole bunch of sympathies. I am a believer in NPs, and PAs (the experienced ex-medic ones). Many times if it within their specialty they are infinitely better than the young MDs.

When I lived and worked in Maryland, my boss was a Prof in FP at UMD. We had training NPs come through our practice, and they were excellent

However, my friend..you just HAVE to take it easy until the ??concussion resolves, and you are feeling a lot better. It isn't just a physical thing...it also has mental ramifications.

Love and hugs to you

Gill

BTW..Our newcomer Captain Jack, and old Gretel send their sympathies to the Puckster. Dogs have a kinship.

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Gillian Murray

Thanks - it is what it is, as my DB is known to say...

Well, I know that DH & our pal Peter probably did better than I would've.... Darn Bruins.....

And she turned out so well! So, even if I'm feeling old & decrepit, there's some hope. You hit the nail on the head - pretty much the same thing. Truly the issue is that since, as you may recall, I'm the one that does our taxes, etc - DH just looked at me and said, yup, guess it'll be a couple of weeks of extension. I'm sort of functioning on low level, and don't really feel good about doing much driving. With our traffic - I'm trying to keep that at the minimal traffic time. Even if eventually we'll recoup something from a settlement - DH can't really take the time off - regardless of getting recompensed in 6 months or not - so I'm going to brave the beltway at midday to get to the doctor tomorrow. I just knew finally that this constant horrid kind of intolerance for noise, etc is concussion stuff. And the lump is still part there. Ah, well.

Thanks. I really wanted to go to Sampler Guild on Saturday, had the alarm set, and everything - but as you may have noticed - I certainly didn't make it! Darn it... And have done nothing with getting ready for part 2 of the canvas workshop. Oh, well. Enjoy the rest of Leaf Collage.

Ellice

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Ellice K.

I totally agree with you. I have no issues with the NP or the PA at our primary care practice. Honestly - Beth, the PA who takes care of DH & I are pretty friendly - I think when she saw me - because the senior partner in the practice has been my doctor for about 20 years, and I have all these kind of rare things going on - with the lengthy drug allergy list - it sorta threw her. Plus, I was likely a little goofy. I've only been on this new drug at that time for about 5 weeks - so it was just starting the 2nd week at full dose, and has some side effects for about a good hour or two after I take it. Beth has been there about 4 years, we like her a lot, but she's taken out DH's stitches 3 times - although I think once I ended up splitting with her! And done his physical twice. I get it - often when I'm doing the first aid stuff at the ice rinks some ref may tell me there's a doctor parent around, and send him to a locker room - and I'll defer - it has never happened that the doctor hasn't told me to finish, because always they're like a urologist, or something and have no idea anymore how to deal effectively with a broken clavicle, or the like, and know that I probably do that stuff regularly as a medic.

You are too right about that. Which is the weird thing to realize. Poor DH has to deal with my mush brain - but he's been quite good about it. I suspect because I was driving the tank of an Expedition, and it came out in pretty good shape, just about $2000 damage - it's easy to not give yourself a break. But I've been lying low. If you saw the state of my kitchen. We've eaten a lot of leftovers all during the week - fortunately since it was Passover - there was a lot. And I really don't want to eat anyhow - another sure sign....

Thanks a bunch. It's been a very odd time. Our close friend sent me a note telling me that we just didn't need any more drama in our lives - between this and me trying to figure out how I'm going to go deal with my sick aunt in Fl it's like a bad soap opera. I must've been a really bad being in a previous existence. Or I'm constantly learning to truly appreciate what I do have. Everyday - and I mean that most sincerely & not goopily.

Da' Puckster woofles his thanks to them. I completely believe that! He's been hanging around with me - and is none too happy that his mom cannot bend over and give him a boost onto the bed! We have got to get his staircase soon! Tomorrow he's going into town with me - so he can go to the groomer, then I go to errand at LNS, then to doctor, then back to get him, then home. Yeah. He's good in the car, so it should be fine.

Thanks again - I'm listening, and trying not to do much. If I'm really miserable I'll make DH take me to the doctor I can get to him, and he'll drive the rest of the way round the beltway!

Ellice

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Ellice K.

*snip* Didn't do chiropractor - though we may do that eventually. I did go to the NP today as the 3 week (less 2 day) & to paraphrase Monty Python "My Brain HURTS." So, in a nutshell - she did the full concussion eval, and said, yup, you really do have a concussion, literally she could see the little lag in my brain telling my eyes "MOVE- dang it" or the like. And that made me feel better that it's not just me being cranky or crazier than I am. She said it could be a month, 3 months, or a year - it's how it goes. The lump, tenderness on the back/crown is a bit more extensive than originally when the PA checked, but of course that was less than 24 hours after the accident, so.... I have to get an MRI, so the preference is that my own neuro guy do it, since he knows what my last one looks like ...I told her that if I have issues talking to his crazy PA (hopefully I can talk with his coordinator - he's a big time research guy at Hopkins - very nice, youngish, but his Physician's Asssistant is book smart but not practical or a good communicator) then I'm going to make her - the NP or my primary care doc talk to him. And of course ideally he'd just let me go get the MRI at some local place, but probably I'll have to go to the super duper ultra fine only 5 in North America come to the other side of Baltimore make DH drive me MRI! Which is undoubtedly overkill for a simple concussion, but so it goes.

Ah, Tia Mary - you are the kindred soul with the NP at my docs and sound exactly like what she said. Evidently the soft tissue stuff was really evident as she did the exam. Mostly down my Right side, but with some referred problems. Picked up the scrip for my PT, she's sure that this will all heal well, and that doing the ultra sound stuff, heat, etc will really help. Sent a refill for more muscle relaxants - been taking those at night because it does help with the sleep - I don't really take the pain pills during the day - just don't like to, unless I'm totally desperate.

*big snip*

Silly me forgot it was tax day. So, lawyer interviews tomorrow. But am feeling more reasonable and not stupidly litigious about this. As the doc & NP explained, I really do need to not do any travel for a while, and truly am "not myself" - can't do real serious thinking in a timely fashion. Forget trying to work through our taxes! That wasn't happening (it's my job). So, the whole not being able to do much/any stitching - or read - typical. Even watching tv much - also not too strange. Along with being a bit kind of cranky and disoriented - so it's definitely not the time to be doing serious math or analytical things. Maybe I'll try doing abstract painting instead. But she did make me feel better instead of being hard on myself for not getting some things done. And DH is being extremely good now about finding ways to "if I have to take you to Baltimore then that's what we do" and stuff like that. And telling me not to worry about having to go to Florida to deal with my crazy family or sick aunt - that if I can't I shouldn't feel guilty, 'cause they don't do things for me, and well, this is how it is.

In the end, it will all be all right. We'll eventually find an attorney, though I hate having to do that. The primary doctor is fine with dealing with the accident insurance, I'll presume that Johns Hopkins will be, as well. I'm glad in a silly way to know that I do have the full out concussion syndrome going on & it's not my imagination - I just wish the goose egg on the back of my head weren't so tender 'cause it's very inconvenient when I lay down.

Puckster had a lovely time going with me today - as he went for his spring cleaning - it was time for big ole' bath, clip, etc - so we drove in, left him, went to the doc, then picked him up, and then circled home. He was so good on the trip - honestly I think he knows I've not felt well, because the whole trip he either sat up with his head out the window, or on my hand by the gear shift (we were in Skeeter - the TT - so I didn't have to help boost him into Nessie). He didn't even make me chase him after he got out. Amazing.

That's the story - Puckster sends big wet kisses to all his furface pals around - and the rest of you, too! Thanks from his mom for the hugs.

Ellice

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Ellice K.

While I've never had a concussion, needless to say being in Pittsburgh, I've learned more than I ever thought I would about concussions....so take your time and take it easy.

{{{{{Ellice}}}}}

Nancy

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Nancy Spera

You are so right. Lawyers look for those tricks. My DB, who does professional malpractice defense - like other attorneys, business things - not med mal - many years ago did one med mal case. He said that he knew the doctor was innocent, but he felt so badly for the kid that he wanted to just give them some money anyhow, and would never do that kind of practice.

I think now because of all the historical records available it's easier to do prep - you can look up things like the weather, etc. But, I've been keeping a basic diary with my iCal app

That must've been a horrible experience for you. I know testifying in that stupid case way back was bad enough. And that was because there were the criminal charges for the drugs, etc & they kept trying to make it seem like I was somehow impaired, confused.

Very true.

Also true. And that's what the NP said - that I should just give myself a break, and lay low. So, I'm trying. DH, who in general is quite kind and much nicer than I, had been getting a little tense - but is again back to the we'll just have to let things heal and you need to just "be a slug" and get better. Plus I think he's going to tell my cousin/aunt that I need to take care of myself - put some perspective on their needs versus my own. So today is my day of relaxation - though I may have to eventually do some dishes....

Thanks so much. Ellice

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Ellice K.

Yup - I get that. As we were driving to dinner last night - using up some almost expired local (Northern VA mag SPECIALICIOUS) coupon I remarked that I've only had 2 other concussions - and the last one was....hockey - just about 2-3 months before DH & I met. Open ice collision in men's league - some idiot - bam. And I was so mad because the 2 refs were guys I/we were friends with. DH joined that league mid season - in Feb. But, I asked them to hang out & wait - as I was changing because I knew I wasn't right, and would've had one of them drive me to a friend's place who lived near there

-and they didn't. I had to drive home like 25 mi away. Not good. Idiots. Anyhow...yup.

Thanks for the hugs...It'll be better.

Ellice

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Ellice K.

Ditto to everything!!!!!!!!!!!! Liz from Humbug

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Liz from Humbug

Thanks a bunch. Y'know - I bet when we were all little kids, and of course, still are - poking our fingers with those needles, trying to get that darn thread thru the eyes, licking the ends - behind moms & grandma's back, would we ever have thought that our stitching would become the extended family of adulthood?

Honestly - DH & I actually do muse about this. Not growing morose - but it's amazing. And probably ties to my feelings about looking at samplers, old needlework - fine or otherwise - you feel that kinship. And how amazing that when Sheena brings up George - and we start talking about what kind of things he used to stitch. Or how the long-distance & IRL friendships wax & wane - and all through the needlearts thing.

So, again - thank you all for the good thoughts - the hugs, and the advice. I'm trying to rest. I'm only vaguely irritated today - waiting since yesterady mornning to hear back from the neuro to set up the MRI, and heading off to the hematologist for my labs, as I have infusion disgusting immuno-suppressant biologic therapy on Monday all day. Woo hoo. I wonder how my normal 2-3 day headache side-effect will feel with the concussion - I bet I'll just sleep well. Best part -this should give everyone a good guffaw - I'm getting 2 crowns done on Tuesday afternoon - and I cannot cancel or postpone because I did that already last month and this is a new dentist and they'll drop us - this is the great guy we found after our former too cool guy told us to find someone else (he was dropping our insurance) and I postponed with only like 36 hours notice - evidently they wanted 72 hours for a 3 hour appt. Oh well. So, any posting I do next week is sure to make absolutely no sense - but I promise to talk about stitching and try to be fun!

My other good decision - if there was a first one - I suggested to my guild chapter board that we pay the place that our workshop is at - to let them set up the room (under $60) rather than me having the 3 poor set-up volunteers lug the very heavy tables around and moving chairs, and a huge conferencce table, etc. Especially since last time me & a couple of galls did it, and we were sweating and tired, and essentially wasted the first hour of the workshop recuperating. I think if the board doesn't agree- I'll end up paying it out of my pocket because I'll be so mad. We'll see - waiting to hear - I get along with the nice lady who runs the facility, and she took care of us last workshop weekend because we didn't clean up as well as we should - as some of the helpers sort of disappeared - so we left things stacked, but not quite right. Oh, well.

Got to go - happy Thursday....off to the doctor I go...

Ellice

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Ellice K.

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