OT: Plastic bags.

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Finally our local supermarket is going to start charging 5 cents each for
plastic bags.  It is about time.  But, I suppose, better late than never.
Hopefully people will realise that it is better to spend a couple of
dollars on a resuseable shopping bag;  just as long as you can wash it
with bleach.  Jim.

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And how will these people dispose of their garbage?   That's how I recycle
my plastic bags.

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"lucille" ( snipped-for-privacy@comcast.net) writes:
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They can pay their 5 cents, and then they have a bag to use to dispose of
their waste.  Or they can buy the bags that are designed to be used as
garbage bags.  In this life we dont get something for nothing.  Not all
the plastic bags used by supermarkets were recycled.  So if it costs a
little more to dispose of garbage, this is a small price to pay for having
less plastic going into refill sites. Jim

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And how will paying for the bags save landfill sites?  Whether they are
free, or whether they are paid for, they will still wind up holding trash or
garbage and wind up as landfill.

Do you have a better way of disposing of trash and/or garbage?   I'm willing
to learn.

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I don't know where people get the idea that plastic bags have been
free.  The cost of the bags is factored into the cost of the
groceries, along with all the other overheads.  To charge 5c, or
whatever, for bags is just another ripoff.  If you want to use your
own bags, you should demand that the cost of the plastic bags be
subtracted from the cost of the cost of the groceries.   Yes I know
that's not going to happen, but the supermarkets should be confronted
with this outrageous grab for extra profits.


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On 4/4/09 4:18 PM, in article
snipped-for-privacy@u9g2000pre.googlegroups.com, "Johnno"

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When the big push for re-useable bags went through, the local stores gave me
a nickel for each bag I brought in. They don't anymore.


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I've carried a reusable bag in my car for ages and use it when I stop at a
farm stand, or go to the greenmarket, or shop in our local thrift shop,
mostly for my own convenience.  I find they are either heavy and make the
parcels harder to schlep, or they are too light and don't hold up with
heavier groceries.   Then there's the fact that having to toss them into the
washer wastes water, which here in Fl isn't a great idea because our water
is wildly expensive, and we're often in a drought and asked to conserve in
any way we can.   They even went so far last year as asking us not to flush
every time.

This subject has been debated over and over and so far I haven't read
anything that convinced me either way.

My Publix Supermarket does keep a trash can designated for returned plastic
bags which makes me think they do recycle them.
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They certainly do here, from time to time the Sobeys bags are less
than sparkly white and are the produce of recycled bags.

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On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:18:36 -0700 (PDT), Johnno

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I thought of that when Stupidstore said they would charge 5 cents per
plastic bag.  Back in the 1980s another store here, Sobeys, were
giving a discount of 5 cents for NOT using plastic.  That's when I
first amassed a quantity of fabric bags.

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Johnno wrote:
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I believe our supermarket does take off 7 cents for each bag of your own
that you bring in.

We use big canvas reusable grocery bags, but sometimes get extra plastic
bags if it's a big order. We save them up (and add the newspaper bags)
and DH brings them back to the grocery store for recycling next time he

We never seem to have enough paper bags for recycling our paper. We
can't put paper for recycling in plastic bags - when I use the shredder
for personal papers, they end up in the trash because the plastic bag
that I use with the shredding machine is a no-no and they won't take it.
  So I often *try* to accumulate extra brown paper bags just for
recycling purposes. (I LOVE Trader Joe's bags - strong paper and handles!)


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I bought 10 Safeway bags about 20 years ago and am still using them.
They don't look as good as when I bought them but I don't care.  I
throw them in the washing machine and hang them out on the line to
dry.  I think I've even put them in the dryer once or twice.  They're
not a fashion statement, they're grocery bags.  If I buy meat, I use
one of the plastic bags that hang back by the meat/vegetable
sections.  At Winco, where I do 99% of my shopping, I get a 6 cent
credit for every bag that I use.  Safeway gives a refund but only 2
cents a bag.  I can't afford to shop at Safeway anymore anyway, so
rarely use them there unless a sale on something I normally use
catches my eye when I go in to refil prescriptions.  Oh, and to bring
this back to a slightly "on topic" thread, the Safeway bags are also
great for carrying stitching projects or yarn!  That's why I usually
only have 6 or 7 bags in the car, even though I bought 10 of them. :-)

Liz from  Humbug

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"lucille" ( snipped-for-privacy@comcast.net) writes:
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Easy to answer.  There are lots of people who, when they get home, simply
through the plastic bags into the garbage.  When these people find they
have to pay 5 cents each for the bags, they will cease to use them, and will
use canvas bags.  This will save a lot of plastic simply being used once,
and then being thrown into the garbage.
It is interesting about the store paying you when you take in your own
bag.  About 5 years ago, I was talking to the store manager, when the
store paid 3 cents per bag.  The most they ever gave back in one month was
60 dollars;  an almost significant amount.  I think there is a difference
in getting back 3 cents if you take your own bag, and being charged 5
cents per bag if you dont.  Jim.

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You didn't answer my question.  If you throw a plastic bag into the garbage
it will wind up as landfill.  If I put the garbage into a specially packaged
plastic garbage bag, I will be throwing out a plastic garbage bag and
plastic grocery bags both of which will land up as landfill.

1.  Where do you suggest garbage should be kept until it's picked up by our
sanitation department?

2.  What's the difference if garbage is tossed out in a new plastic bag that
was bought and paid for or it's tossed in recycled grocery bag as far as the
environment is concerned?

   It's still in plastic and so far no one has given me a better

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Paying for bags will encourage people to reuse their bags or find
alternates.  Most people have little incentive to save the bags or
reuse them now because they're free.  How did you dispose of trash/
garbage before they had plastic shopping bags?


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Paying for bags will encourage people to reuse their bags or find
alternates.  Most people have little incentive to save the bags or
reuse them now because they're free.  How did you dispose of trash/
garbage before they had plastic shopping bags?


I bought and paid for plastic garbage bags.   I suppose before they were
available I probably used paper bags, but frankly I don't really remember.

I was strictly talking about saving bags from winding up in landfill, not
the cost of the bags.

What I would love to see would be a campaign by markets asking people to
recycle grocery bags.  As it stands now, few people even know they have a
container to hold returned bags because I've never seen anything about it
anywhere.   I happened to notice it quite by accident.

It would also be great if newspapers would run ads encouraging people to use
the plastic wrappers used for home delivery as pooper scoopers.  That's what
I do.


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We've had stores here (California) taking .05 off your bill for every
bag of your own you bring in and reuse for several years now.  The past
year or so grocery and other stores are all selling the inexpensive
canvas bags for shopping.  I've seen big containers by the doors where
you can leave your plastic shopping bags and they will recycle them for you.

Several of my local Raleys/Bel Air stores (same chain) now also have
signs on the doors as you enter stating "Did you remember your bags?"
because a lot of people aren't in the habit yet of bringing their canvas
bags from the car into the supermarket.

There are always people who will make the effort - recycling, conserving
water, not littering, etc.  and those in the world who don't care about
any of that.  Hopefully it's not just breaking even between the 2 types
- the planet needs more of us to spend some effort on even simple
changes to help the environment.

...whose kids get cranky because I recycle EVERYTHING we can at home -
every scrap of paper, plastic, etc.  and make them dig stuff out of the
garbage can if they don't!

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I wrap my garbage in newspaper, so my bin consists of a plethora of neat
little paper parcels. We recycle as much as we can, so our recycled bin
is always brimming, while the garbage bin is usually less than half
full. DS washes out the bin with hot suds each week to prevent smells
etc and we don't use plastic bags at all.

The one thing I did find them useful for was tracing dressmaking
patterns, but I was recently able to buy a bolt of sew-in interfacing
for only $5, so that'll last me a lifetime of pattern making.

Our local library has recently started selling bags for $1. These bags
are made from recycled plastic fabric and they fold into a pocket,
rather like a quillow, and zip up to pocket-size.

For transporting meat, we usually have the Esky (portable cooler) in the
boot of the car for that. If not, DH will ask for a discarded carton
from the supermarket to line our canvas bags. This is usually sufficient
to keep the leakage out of the bags, but a thick layer of newspaper
would do just as well.

Trish Brown

Newcastle, NSW, Australia

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We recycle all our newspaper so that would be counter productive and kill
trees.    My opinion is that you can't win.  What's good for one thing is
dreadful for another.


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On 4/5/09 7:52 AM, in article gra64b$evj$ snipped-for-privacy@news.motzarella.org, "lucille"

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That is exactly right. I can recycle paper, glass and plastic "curbside".
Makes life easy. I can take the plastic bags I do get to the grocery store
to be recycled there.  Now that it is spring, I start composting again. For
years, I barely fill one barrel most weeks with 2-3 bags of "containers" and
paper. Fortunately, my shredded material can go down in plastic bags.  But
if they change that rule, I'll start throwing that in my covered compost
heap and buy some blood meal to make it decompose faster.


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Cheryl Isaak ( snipped-for-privacy@comcast.net) writes:
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Why do you have to wait until spring to compost?  I throw all my stuff
into my composter all through the winter.  I keep a bucket in the garage
for day to day collection, and then when the bucket if full, I tramp to
the composter through the snow.  Jim.

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