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I'm working on the Amy Bradley Hoots quilt.
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-11991585469373_2087_7348566

I'm trying to decide what thread to use for sewing the appliqued owls to
the backing of each square. This is raw edge applique, so the owls will be
fused to the backing then button hole stitched by machine. Originally, I
didn't give much thought to this issue. I use Gutermann thread for
everyday sewing, and use the cotton version for quilting. However, I was
reading that some people use embroidery thread for the machine applique.

Does the embroidery thread look different? Heavier, shinier, etc? If I do
go with embroidery thread, what type of embroidery thread should I look
for?


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Sarah, that quilt is so precious I just can't get over it.  Probably will
have to add it to my 'to do' list.
    Now.  Back to the question.  I'm afraid the answer is going to be the
standard one.  Test!  So much depends on the effect that pleases you best.
You don't actually have to ruin a perfectly  good owl; just a strip of owl
fabric on a piece of background will do.
    Try a 40 wt cotton if you want the stitching to be outstanding.
    50 wt matching thread (also cotton) would probably be my choice, and, of
course, embroidery thread would be pretty.  While you are thread shopping do
pick up a spool of Aurifil.  It doesn't shed / shred nearly as much as
Gutermann.  ( You didn't ask for a thread brand commercial but Aurifil is
just so much cleaner for stitching.)   Please come back and show us what
you've done.  Polly

"SarahU" <> I'm working on the Amy Bradley Hoots quilt.
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I don't know, Polly, it may just be my machine, but Aurifil sheds something
awful in my bobbin case.  I clean it out (I blow it out with canned air -
NOT, Polly. Just trying to wake you up this morning) every time I fill my
bobbin.

I've said this a million times before, but C&C thread works just dandy in my
machine.

That said, I have gone to almost exclusively using Aurifil 50 wt for machine
piecing.  My accuracy is so much better.

<shrug> I clean my bobbin area a lot.  It's worth it.

Cindy



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That woke me up!  Don't even think about blowing fuzzies further down in the
SM innards.  And, next time I sing about my favorite thread, I'll try to
remember to add:  except Cindy.  I agree that Coats & Clark dual duty in
matching colors works great when you don't want your appliquéing stitches to
show.  Sometimes I use Invisifil, sometimes I still don't trust it.  Polly

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I suggest that you make a small sample and try out the threads that
interest you!  I do a lot of whole cloth quilting with colored thread
and a bit of applique, and find that each thread handles a bit
differently and looks different when in place.  Different colors of
the same thread brand and weight work out differently, too, so I make
samples!  (In fact, I have a pretty fair collection of pillows in the
living room and the guest rooms made from the samples.)  The bit of
extra time and effort you spend on samples is well worth it!

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That's adorable!
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I use Sulky 12 wt in black for buttonhole appliqué if I want the old
fashioned look. If I want it to match the fabric and not show up I use just
regular Coats & Clarks thread in the appropriate color(s).

Cindy


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The picture made me LOL! Too cute!
You just need to test a few threads. Everyday cotton #50 may be just
fine. You might want to try the heavier #40 or even #30 (need bigger
needles). "Embroidery thread" for machine work is often rayon, which
is fine for decorative work but may not hold up as well in a baby
quilt that needs constant washing. But it is shiny, if that's the look
you want.
Roberta in D

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:17:29 +0000, Sarah9023_at_aol_dot_ snipped-for-privacy@foo.com
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SarahU had written this in response to
http://www.sewgirls.com/quilting/Re-Applique-thread-148992-.htm  :
So is here where I admit that I'm making the quilt for me, a 21 year old
adult rather than for a child? :D It was just so adorable I could not pass
it up. I'm all for embracing my inner child.

So if I am understanding all this great info correctly, "everyday" thread
is about 40-50wt ? Then as the numbers get smaller, the weight is heavier,
so something like a 30wt would be heavier?

I guess I'll just have to swatch a bunch of threads and see how I like
them. Asking for recommended brands (other than those already mentioned)
might generate too many options, so I'll go with this: Are there any
brands to avoid in embroidery thread?

Right now it sounds as if my best bet is to hit Fabric Depot or the LYS
near me and just buy a spool of a 5-10 different threads. It won't be
washed very frequently, but at the same time I would like a somewhat
sturdy thread so I don't want to tear my hair out as I'm sewing. I've
never used embroidery thread, but I'm a bit entranced by the shininess.
It's pretty safe to say I'll be using some type of embroidery thread. Now
I just need to go to Fabric Depot.

Thanks for all the great information and help! I really appreciate it. I
will definitely share it when it's done. I have 6 blocks (owls) cut out
right now and they are adorable!

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Off the top of my head, I'd recommend determining what color(s) you want and
just buy a few different thread types.  (My spools of Superior Pixelles cost
$7+ per spool.  While I am pleased with the thread at that price if you buy
too many spools to play with this could get quite expensive for you.)

Perhaps the store will allow you to unroll a few inches of rayon thread to
see for yourself how easily it breaks.... I've been sneaky and done that on
the sly a time or two!  If this quilt is not to be used- as in a table
topper or wall quilt- then the rayon would be okay.   Polyester might be too
strong for 100% cotton fabrics if the quilt is to be used and washed- the
theory is that it will shred the cotton fabric because it's too strong and
shreds the fabric with movement and the washing action.  Do avoid metallic
threads unless you are well experienced with adjusting your machine's
tensions and sew very slowly- it can be a real pain to work with, but you'd
sure get your shiny.  ;-)

Good old standard Coats and Clark thread would be  sturdy and work very well
for your purposes and it is generally trouble free and economical.  If you
are working with 100% cotton fabrics then I'd say use a good quality 100%
cotton thread if you pass on the C&C brand- like Sulky or Superior or
Robison Anton.

Many spools of thread will state on the ends of the spool what size and type
of needle to use.  There's almost as many types of needles as there are
types of thread.  And I apologize for assuming the quilt was for a child-
inner children are great and your choice of quilt pattern is adorable!  I
hope you have a blast making it and using it!

Leslie & The Furbabies in MO.

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Be careful to check the Coats and Clark thread. The "Dual Duty" thread
is now 100% polyester (poly wrapped poly core).

Also, I have used polyester thread with cotton when sewing clothing
for years. It does not "cut" the cotton fabric. <G>
In fact many poly threads will "snap" easier than some cotton threads.
<VBG> Depends on what you want and what you are sewing and so many
other factors.

Rayon thread is weaker, especially when wet. There are some gorgeous
polyester embroidery threads available. They are a bit more colorfast
than some rayons, and have a good sheen to them.

Love thread, and playing with it on fabric. <VBG>

Pati, in Phx

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Thanks for this Pati.  I didn't know about the polyester shiny threads.
I must have a look for some, as I love quilting with shiny threads -
even a good mercerised cotton will have a gentle sheen.
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SarahU had written this in response to
http://www.sewgirls.com/quilting/Re-Applique-thread-149083-.htm  :
Thanks for the great tips. I'm going to head over to my LFS and she what
kind of thread selection they have. If all else fails, I'll head over to
Fabric Depot. Got to love an acre worth of fabric. They'll be sure to have
lots of choices.

So now I have to decide what color. There are several different ways I
could go about this, but I think the best way would be to buy one color
for all the applique. Otherwise I would need a blue, green, purple, and
yellow. Or is the later a better way to go?

What do you guys usually do?

Leslie& The Furbabies in MO. wrote:

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One thought is to use a variegated thread with all- or most- of your colors
in the thread's color changes.  Using black is 'traditional'- assuming you
are using a buttonhole stitch- but you could use a medium purple for all of
them.  (Do I need to say purple is my favorite color?  VBG)  If you are
using a satin stitch *usually* you match the thread to the appliqué fabric
color.  Another thing that might work is a shade of the background fabric
color, too.

Good luck!

Leslie & The Furbabies in MO.

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You could hunt for a blue, green, purple and yellow variegated?  but, if
I were doing it, I would buy the three/four colours.  If you are satin
stitching the appliqué, that does use quite a lot of thread, so you
would probably have to get more than one (ordinary) spool anyway.
Therefore, getting the three colours wouldn't be *much more than you
would have to get. It's also a very good idea to start building up a
thread stash as well as a fabric stash.  I read in your other thread
that your lovely owl quilt was your first quilt.
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You might find a variegated thread that has everything. (You might
also decide you hate the way it looks :-) Or maybe a dark navy or
black (or cherry red) would make your pieces pop. Experiment!
Roberta in D

On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:47:45 +0000, Sarah9023_at_aol_dot_ snipped-for-privacy@foo.com
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Sounds like a plan! Remember to get a selection of machine needles
too. There's one especially for the embroidery rayon, and you'll need
larger needles (#18?) for the thicker thread.
Roberta in D

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You'll find that your stitch width and length makes a big difference with
each thread, too.  I like using the Sulky 12 wt. (a heavy, thick thread)
variegated cotton thread in a buttonhole stitch with a short length and
short width- it looks almost like a braid trim has been applied to the edge
of the appliqué.  Be sure to use the appropriate needle, too, for whatever
thread.

Rayon thread has a lovely sheen but it is fragile and breaks easily- and it
may not go thru the fusible very well.  You could use invisible thread- but
it can be scratchy and there's the 'rumor' that any bits of thread left on
the quilt can wrap around a baby's finger or toe- but I've also heard that's
an 'urban legend'.  Most quilters seem to avoid it for baby quilts just in
case.

Superior Pixelles trilobal thread is gorgeous with some sheen.  (I fell in
love with the purple/olive green/cream variegated Pixelles called Eggplant!)
It's a poly 30 wt. so it shows up well and is sturdy.  And don't forget you
can use ANY decorative stitch to secure the edge of the appliqué- not just a
___|___|___  buttonhole stitch.   A chain of hearts or a feathery looking
stitch or many others look great on raw edged appliqué.

Yep, you need to make a good sized sample with different threads, needles
and stitch length and width variations.  (And possibly some tension
adjustments, too.)  Be sure to label ALL the info on each sample so you can
return to the one that you like the best.  Don't ask.....  ;-)

Most any thread will hold the appliqués in place.  This darling quilt
deserves something special.  IMNSHO

Leslie & The Furbabies in MO.

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Oh, yeah, that's a Polly quilt for sure.  And definitely no black 12 wt.

I did a little quilt a few years ago and didn't have the exact thread color
to match my fabrics.  They had just come out with the battery operated
bobbin winder.  I have every color of embroidery floss and so I separated
the strands and wound the thread onto metal bobbins and used those as the
top thread for the appliqué. I just used white for the bobbin.

Worked perfect.

On  a side note, if you ever get the chance to take a workshop or listen to
Amy Bradley give a guild program, don't miss it. She's funny and darling and
really has a good program.

Cindy


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