Ethical question about quilt shows

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I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this
year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by
one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics
must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any,
it was a kit.

OK, I understand somebody entering a kitted quilt if they are just
getting started, but ...... this struck me as just a bit unethical.
The show is viewer's choice and the quilt is stunning. It's paper
pieced and the design just seems to glow. But she didn't really make
those fabric choices.

What do you folks think? Am I just being rude and snitty, as my DH
suggests?

Sunny


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I've got a pile of old magazines that I've just been reading, I've read
many many articles, so I'm a bit mixed up, but I'm pretty sure one place
  said that back in the 30s it was entirely normal to enter kit quilts
for shows. In the present day, it seemed that it might be ok, but very
much depends on the rules for the specific show. If it's a kit, credit
must be given to the designer of the quilt and displaying it might break
the copyright of the original designer and it should definitely be made
clear on a note by the quilt that it was a kit designed by x and made by
y. If she didn't fill that in on the application and it's just something
she happened to let slip, I agree that would be unethical. Even with the
information being clearly stated, I guess that not all viewers would
read it or take it in, but I guess that's a risk you take if you enter a
show that's entirely viewers choice, there are some traditional designs
that can be stunning as well as some that come completely from the
makers imagination, a judge should be reading the accompanying info and
applying knowledge, you can't expect that of viewers choice and some
unusual winners crop up.

Having said all that, even if it's all within the rules, I'd hope for a
better example by an LQS owner, in a similar way to how you'd expect a
fireman to not have an open fire in the woods, you expect something a
little bit more from them, whether that's fair or not!

Cheers
Anne

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On one hand, it doesn't seem ethical, esp.  if she didn't give credit
to whomever
*did* choose those fabrics for that particular pattern.  On the other
hand, the workmanship
*is* hers, even if the fabric choices arent.
Maybe they should have a separate category for "Quilt Kits"?



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Most of us view kits as nice but a sort of "cheater quilt."  I do think it
is unfair for the competition who has to pick their own fabrics.  I
certainly think he/she should admit that it is a kit so the judges can take
that into accout.


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Wow!  I didn't know that.  Guess I'm back to being  "not a real quilter"
again.

I am paralyzed by fabric choices.  I am color-challenged when it comes to
more than 3 fabrics.  If I had to wait till I made a decision, I'd never sew
a stitch.  And the sewing is the favorite part for me.  But I do make sure
people know that my little quilt sometimes come from kits.  I also use
coordinated charm squares for many of my mini's.  Would that be considered
cheating as well?  What about the kits that are made up of particular fabric
lines.  I see lots of quilts made from only Moda or RJR collections.

I just don't get when I will be considered a real quilter.  Maybe if I hand
dye the fabric I've woven on a loom, made up a brand new pattern, hand
pieced and hand quilted the thing, that will be good enough.

Cindy

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Cindy, I never, ever meant to imply that anybody, regardless of
whether or not they sewed kits, was a "real" quilter or not. I am in
awe of the quilt that won the ribbons at our show. There is no way in
heck that I could have put it together. The thing is technically as
close to perfect as I expect to see. She did a magnificant job.

I think kits are a great way to sew. As for the coordinated charm
packs, I'm definitely an addict.

You are as real a quilter as can be found anywhere. And nobody should
be saying or implying otherwise.

The question was only if those entering competition should indicate
that the entry was from a kit. In our show, the quilter gets separate
billing every time.

Now, if I ever get rich, rich, rich, I will hire someone with intense
skills to come to my house, take my fabric, look at what I want to do
with it and t hen they will cut it for me. I am such a klutz. I bobble
and nudge and put awful things into those poor little pieces meant to
be sewn into blocks.

So, peace to all good quilters, whether ye be quilters of kits or be
quilters of non kits.......sleep well tonight under thine warm quilts.

Sunny


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I never took offense at one single thing, Sunny.  It's all in my mind,
dontcha know?

Cindy

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Golly, Cindy.  This question just became a whole lot more complicated than I
realized.  For sure, I should have stayed out of it.
    It seems to me that you are missing a lot of the joy of quilting if you
can not choose your colors and fabrics . . . but what do I know?
    If someone said to me 'you can be a quilter only if you use these colors
and fabrics' there's just no telling how I would react.  I 'd probably get
in a real huff.  I might take their colors and fabrics and poke them up
their nose.
    With that said, it just never crossed my dim old mind that there were
quilters who were color/fabric challenged meaning choosing was impossible or
difficult.  Oh my, how I would love to take you shopping.  I'll just bet
that I could move you from "I can't choose"  to "How many can we get in your
car?".   Polly (my car will hold at least a bathtub full)



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Sometimes I just like to sew.  No thinking or fussing but just sit and
sew.  Those are times for little creativity and that is ok.  Most times
I try to work out of my stash.  That can be a real challenge.  Not
always does everything look great but it always is all mine ; )
Sometimes I like to finish old quilts that someone may have started
and not been able to finish.  That sort of feels like community service
sometimes.  I always have enjoyed sewing and have more time than many
folks so doing it all is ok for me.  I think there is room for all of
it.  I don't too much worry about shows and ribbons.  I just am not
competitive.
Your being a real quilter is in your mind Cindy.  Whatever you want to
make it will be.  There may be talk of no quilt police but there are a
variety of quilters with different opinions.  That will never change.
I have to say a day shopping with Polly would be a true joy.  If I win
the lotto and she is willing I am going for it.  <LOL>
TAria

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Polly, I'm on board for that f ield trip. <BG>

Sunny



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I know where we can get a bathtub!!

Val


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Hadn't thought of that aspect of it Taria, thanks for bringing it up. I
like doing that too, and I guess when I do that I am not choosing my own
fabrics, and I do intend to enter some of them (if I ever finish them)
into my guild's show.. of course I would acknowledge the provenance. \

Now that I read  the original question again I realize it was not about
entering these quilts in the shows or not, but more about recognizing
that the maker had not made the fabric and design choices.... a separate
category would take care of that, as someone suggested.

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Dr.Quilter
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If (when) I win the lottery, I'm getting a great big airplane and picking
everybody up and we're going to Paducah or Houston.  And Polly will lead us.

Cindy


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Polly, I'm in my room right now trying to re-arrange all my fabric and find
room to store it.  It all looks the same.  It's pretty, but if I want to
make something, I have to go buy coordinating fabric.

I'm not color blind or anything,  I just don't know what looks good
together.  There are quilts that I just adore, but to make one myself, I'd
either have to copy it exactly or someone else gets to choose the fabric.

I'm fine with solids, it's prints that I have such a terrible time with.

And I wasn't whining about not being a quilter.  I'm whining because I can't
pick fabrics.

Cindy

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Permission granted
You know what I think you need, Cindy?
    I think you need permission to screw up.
        Pick out 3 things from your stash that you think just might play
nice together.
        Make a block.  Maybe two.
        Put them on your design wall for 2 or 3 days and consider them now
and then.
            Then, toss them in the trash, stomp them on the floor or keep
them filed away for reconsideration.
    Think of it sort of like doing homework in 9th grade algebra.  You don't
have to succeed.  You are only learning.  I remember one time putting yellow
and purple together and they rudely threw up on each other.  Mother Nature
does that combination gloriously but not so with me.
    C'mon.  Just stick you toes in the water.  If it's too cold, try again
another day.  The largest trash can in our home is in the sewing room.  For
good reason.  Polly

"teleflora" <wrote, in part> I'm fine with solids, it's prints that I have
such a terrible time with.
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I wonder if it would help if we start posting our ugliest quilts?
Of course those are the ones we keep hidden in the bottom of the
dark closet.  Mine is lap sized and really ugly!  Take a look at
some of the really ugly quilt tops on Ebay.  MAny tops are not
finished because they are so poorly made or they are just plain
old ugly.  If I put something on the design wall for a couple of
days I get comments from the peanut gallery here. They have fairly
good taste so sometimes I even listen.
There are lots of books and classes on color.  It is tough for lots
of us but it hasn't stopped some of us yet!
TAria

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Well, that's just scary.

But which 3?????????

Cindy



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OMG!!!  Cindy you are too funny.

Just pick the first 3 that raise their hands..........of course!!

HTH,

Marsha


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On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:20:08 -0500, "teleflora"

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Close your eyes, reach out, and pull one.  Do that three times in
slightly different places near your stash.  

Or, pick one mostly red, one mostly green, and one mostly yellow/gold.
Then next time try a different set of colors
Debra in VA
See my quilts at
http://community.webshots.com/user/debplayshere

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rofl, some of the folks on rctq are downright scarey at
times.
snorfle'n in the south pacific,
jeanne

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"Polly Esther" wrote...
 You know what I think you need, Cindy?
 I think you need permission to screw up.
 Pick out 3 things from your stash that you think just might
play
 nice together.
Make a block.  Maybe two.
Put them on your design wall for 2 or 3 days and consider
them now
 and then.



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