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I'm leaving shortly to go with my quilting mentor for a new machine
for her.  I just ran across an ad on craigslist for a quilt shop not
too far away that is - unfortunately - going out of business.  One of
the items they have listed is a 'Smart by Pfaff' sewing machine for
$150.  Does anyone know anything about this machine specifically or
Pfaff machines in general?  I want to go to the shop just for kicks
and giggles anyhow as they are selling everything but the walls and
say all the fabric, books and notions are 75-80% off.

I'll be leaving in about 90 minutes so if you happen to read this and
have any info, it would certainly be appreciated.

TIA,
Kim in NJ

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Pfaff has a fine reputation generally; not familiar with the 'Smart'.  If
you have time, run over to ebay or somewhere on line and see if there's one
for sale and its price.  Have fun!  big fun.  Polly

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In general, Pfaff is good quality.

They have a new line "smarter by Pfaff" which is pretty high end (for
them, home machines). However, I found links online to a slightly
older line "smart by pfaff", which they themselves listed as a
beginners machine - that seems to fir better with the price.

Go have a look and try. All the usual advice on buying a sewing
machine applies :-) But a low end Pfaff at a good price is probably
much better then the Walmart machine at the same price, so worth a
look!

For Pfaff, I would not be without my IDT (integrated dual feed) and
needle-down button. I use those _all_ the time.

Just my 2p.

Hanne in DK

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Hanne, thanks for that info.  I thought the price was a bit low for
what I was finding online.  She currently has a Janome - not sure
which one, but her DH gave her $$ for a new machine for Christmas and
she's looking to upgrade so I don't think this is the upgrade she's
looking for.  Guess we'll go about our regular plan for today and
maybe I'll hop over to this shop tomorrow as that is when their sale
ends.

Kim

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I love my 2 Pfaffs---one is about 20 yr old and the other is about 10 yr
old.  They are the high end machine of the Pfaff.  Very dependable.
Barbara in FL



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I'm also a Pfaff'er -- my two are workhorses (2030 and 7570).  Generally
sound machines and I agree the IDT (built in walking foot) is wonderful for
both piecing and quilting.  Both mine receive heavy use and I've had
basically nary a problem (other than burned out light bulbs!)

Not familiar with "smart" Pfaffs - so no help on that one.

Happy Shopping.

--
Kate in MI
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Hi All,

Since Pfaff machines are being discussed, I have a question.  I was
told yesterday that Pfaff was bought out recently by Singer.  Does
anyone know anything about this and   do you think the reliability of
Pfaff machines continue?  I am also in the market for a new machine
and was considering Pfaff, but I just don't trust Singer.

Anna Belle


On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 06:06:30 -0800 (PST), AuntK

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A quick (but only quick, mind you) online search seems to indicate
that Pfaff was bought out by Viking (which I think was either
originally made by or long time bought out by Husquarna, a Swedish
company)). Viking in turn was bought by the same umbrella company that
has bought Singer.

Looks like Pfaff and Singer were not bought by each other, but rather
bought into a consortia of companies, many not related to sewing
machines.

I would not let this concern me, if I was otherwise looking at a new
Pfaff.

Hanne in DK

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We ended up going to our local Viking dealer due to time contraints.
Spoke with the salesperson who in turn gave us up to their repair
person.  He's been their repair person for 30 years and my experience
with him has been excellent.  Apparently only part of the Viking line
has been bought out by the consortium.  The mid to upper range
machines are still make by Husquvarna (sp) in Sweden.  This shop is
also a Brother dealer.  The repair person's opinion is that between
Brother & Viking, for mid range (price as well as features) he'd go
with the Viking; for low end he'd go with the Brother; for high end
he'd go with either from a quality and durability standpoint.  My
friend is looking at the Viking Sapphire 835 they had.  It's very
comparable to the Viking Platinum I have in terms of price and
features - even has a few more bells & whistles but that's to be
expected several years down the road.  Since it's last year's model
with just a few less decorative stitches than the current model, the
price is a tad better.

I'll probably head to the going out of business sale tomorrow.  Just
to see what might just have to come home with me!

Thanks for everyone's help and opinions.  It's greatly appreciated.

Kim in NJ

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There is a problem with the Sapphire.  I'm sure.  Friend took her Sapphire
in for help when it went totally goofy.  Brought it home all fixed and fine,
she thought. In less than a couple of weeks it was unable to stitch. period.
    Turns out the Sapphire has a defective thread uptake lever.  She had to
wait about 8 weeks for the back-ordered part to be replaced.
    We don't know if the replacement ended the problem and all is well.
She's been building a new home and hasn't been stitching with it.  Just
don't know and I don't know if I got most of this tale accurately except I
am very sure it is a Sapphire.  It is sitting right here beside me.
Probably that common Sapphire problem should not be a deal-breaker, just
wanted you to be aware.  Polly

"AuntK">
We ended up going to our local Viking dealer due to time contraints.
Spoke with the salesperson who in turn gave us up to their repair
person.  He's been their repair person for 30 years and my experience
with him has been excellent.  Apparently only part of the Viking line
has been bought out by the consortium.  The mid to upper range
machines are still make by Husquvarna (sp) in Sweden.  This shop is
also a Brother dealer.  The repair person's opinion is that between
Brother & Viking, for mid range (price as well as features) he'd go
with the Viking; for low end he'd go with the Brother; for high end
he'd go with either from a quality and durability standpoint.  My
friend is looking at the Viking Sapphire 835 they had.  It's very
comparable to the Viking Platinum I have in terms of price and
features - even has a few more bells & whistles but that's to be
expected several years down the road.  Since it's last year's model
with just a few less decorative stitches than the current model, the
price is a tad better.

I'll probably head to the going out of business sale tomorrow.  Just
to see what might just have to come home with me!

Thanks for everyone's help and opinions.  It's greatly appreciated.

Kim in NJ


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Thanks for that heads up.  Can you tell me which Sapphire
specifically?  She did buy the 835 this afternoon after doing some
price research.  The shop was willing to split the difference between
their original quote and the prices she found online.  Even though
dealers are not allowed to sell over the internet as they have
'protected' regions.  But it did give her some negotiating power and
the shop gave her an excellent price on the machine including classes,
etc.  Hopefully your friend's problem was an unfortunate fluke and
it's not model wide.

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The Viking I'm babysitting is a Sapphire 830 - bought for its wider arc.
Polly

"AuntK" <Thanks for that heads up.  Can you tell me which Sapphire
specifically?  She did buy the 835 this afternoon after doing some
price research.  The shop was willing to split the difference between
their original quote and the prices she found online.  Even though
dealers are not allowed to sell over the internet as they have
'protected' regions.  But it did give her some negotiating power and
the shop gave her an excellent price on the machine including classes,
etc.  Hopefully your friend's problem was an unfortunate fluke and
it's not model wide.


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Polly, thank you.  I think that is the model before the one just
purchased today if I understood everyone correctly.  Hopefully Viking
resolved that particular issue between designs.  Hope your friend is
able to get back to sewing soon.

Kim in NJ

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From dealers that I've talked to:  Singer, Pfaff and Viking are now one and
the same.  I asked if Viking and Pfaff would be bringing  Singer up, or if
Singer would bring them down.  The answer from all of them---Singer will
bring the quality of the other 2 down.  Something to watch out for over the
next few years.
Gen


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Pfaff, etc. Re: Need some quick info please
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Re: Pfaff, etc. Re: Need some quick info please
I've got a fine Pfaff 7570 that I will never, ever let go. And a Pfaff
2124 that is good for stitching and that my mom used for embroidery
work (which I've never done) all the time. It's currently sitting at
the local sew 'n' vac on consignment. I really want to sell it. And I
have my Janome 6600. I'm happy. If I buy another machine, it will be a
straight stitch with a fast motor and a wide harp.

Sunny

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