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Seems like God is really choosing to test our family at the moment, I do
rejoice in this as the bible tells us that he gives us trials to make us
stronger! But that doesn't mean we don't need to pray, or ask others to
pray for us.

Physically, I continue to struggle, nausea is big problem, as is some
generalised pain, when I couldn't move, I was stuck with my neck in a
funny position, I'm aware from have struggled with a neck injury in the
past that there is a certain spot where nausea is a symptom, so I don't
know whether the nausea is related to that, or if it's still a drug
related problem. I'm also struggling with sleep, it's taking me a long
time to fall asleep each night, the first two nights I was home in the
middle of the night after not falling asleep, I switched my alarm clock
off, but yesterday I was convicted that regardless of how badly I slept,
I still needed to get up to spend time with God and that the alarm would
stay set, regardless. When it woke me, I hit snooze, thinking I was
turning it off, I'm praising God for the snooze button as 8 minutes
later when it went off again, I saw my error and made sure that I took
my time this morning to abide with Him.

Yesterday afternoon, my MIL fell on the stairs carrying a laundry basket
and broke her wrist, she actually seems remarkably well and genuinely
seems to be in very little pain, at first they thought she'd need
surgery, but the doctor in the ER then was pleased with how he'd managed
to set it and the hand surgeon confirmed today that the set was good and
she doesn't need surgery, though they'll check again next week.

This is a logistical problem for us as I felt I wasn't up to driving so
she was supposed to be helping out with that, I ended up deciding I'd
better try driving last night when there wasn't traffic and determined
that I was safe, even though it makes me feel bad. It also means that I
need to do all the cooking, rather than sharing it, cooking dinner last
night was a classic example of how I've been feeling in general since
this all happened, that multi tasking is very difficult for me! We
managed to get dinner, though not any vegetables, which we can deal
with! It's hard for us to get take out or buy prepared stuff as I am
wheat free and my MIL doesn't do cheese or citrus and other things that
are slipping my mind right now.

It also makes things a little tricky with childcare, just simple things
like me not carrying the baby up and down the stairs whilst I've been
feeling a bit wobbly, I now have to do, so please pray for safety. I
also have a couple of appointments where she was supposed to be watching
the baby, which could be difficult, she's ok playing with a 4 year old
by the looks of things.

My husband also got a new job on Thursday, it's a sideways move in the
same company, good for his long term career, but more of a difficulty
than a celebration temporarily as they want him in the new team straight
away, but he still has to tie up ends from the old team, so he's got
extra work to do.

Our car is displaying the maintenance required warning light, it could
be as simple as saying it's due for service, but we'll have to take it
to the dealership so they can plug it into the computer and tell us what
it is, which is a job my husband will have to do, as there is no way I
can drive either that far, or on the freeway to get there.

Another thing that doesn't effect us directly is the deaths of two
members of our old church in the UK, one an elderly lady, who's husband
had already passed on, we are able to rejoice in, though we are saddened
that we won't be able to pay our respects at the funeral on Friday. The
other was one of the elders, he was diagnosed with a chronic and rare
form of leukemia in the summer, but the prognosis seemed to be good and
they had found a match for a bone marrow transplant, but he got
pneumonia and died last night, I'm finding this much harder emotionally,
  we'd prayed for him, but I regret not taking the time to send him a
word of encouragement. He leaves a wife and 5 sons, aged 20-30, we'll be
sure not to forget to send a message of condolence. Again, it's hard
being so far from where we call home and not being there to mourn with
others. A positive I can take from this is that after being here 3
years, I've finally got to the point where I feel the same connection
within our church here and would be devastated if one of the leadership
were to pass on.

I wrote up a note on facebook with details about what happened on
Wednesday, I'm Anne Rogers, with a picture of me in a red latin dance
dress if you want to friend me.

Thank you,
Anne

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Anne Rogers wrote:
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Do try too keep those sleep patterns regular.  It helps in the long run.
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Oh, good grief!  Thats just is NOT FAIR!
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Sounds like at the moment you have one complete woman spread between two
bodies!  Maybe your husband could field the kids while you two make dinner?
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One can indeed play with a 4YO but not be fit to caryy or change a baby
whan one has a busted paw!  Baby may just have to go with you and the
people you have the appontments with will have to cope.
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I understand that one.  Himself works as a project manager, and
changeover from one project to another, or managinf elements of two
concurrently can be a bit manic.
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W3e have an annoying beep telling us we need to change the break disks
'soon'.  Having looked at them, Himself has determined that they are
good for a few thousand miles yet as the sensor is set with two large a
margin.  Very annoyin BEEP! every time he switches on, mind.
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This one is always going to be a hard one.
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Not on facebook (I do LJ instead).  Gives you somewhere to vent when you
need it, and another lot of help.  You sound pretty together for now,
even if we know it's a fragile peace.  Keep going: you're doing it right
today, and that's gotta be a plus.

((((((Anne & Co))))))

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Kate  XXXXXX  R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
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Dear Anne, I'm so sorry that you and your family continue to have
difficulty. I hope though, that you won't forget that your well-being
and that of the children is the most important focus. Sleep is so
important. And when it's needed most can be the time when it's hardest
to achieve. I understand how important it is to spend time in
communion with God. But I would remind you that the Bible also tells
us that God hears and sees what is in our hearts. Even when you're
sleeping, I know that God hears what's in your heart. (The sleep you
need so much is itself a gift from God, don't you think?)

Anne, you may not agree with me, but I just can't believe that your
faith is being tested. I truly don't believe God works that way,
piling miseries on us and then punishing us for being miserable. God
made you, made the baby, loves you (and all of us) with infinite and
unceasing love. When you feel that you have failed God, just remember
that Grace surrounds us always and is freely given regardless of
whether or not we've "earned" it. Life is hitting you hard lately. No
question. But I don't believe that you have sinned or brought on a
test or otherwise displeased God. You are a  child of God, beautiful
in his eyes, and loved eternally.

Hugs and prayers and many good wishes,
Sunny
(I'm on my way to your facebook page)

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Sunny, I'm choosing to be completely open about my faith and to be
specific not vague. I really don't want to start a debate, but I feel
it's probably beneficial for me to explain exactly where I'm coming from
on both of these issues, knowing that many christians would still
disagree with me.

On the issue of getting up at 6, I believe God calls us to abide with
him daily and more recently I've been convicted that the best time for
that is early in the morning, the sentiment of this is given in the
story of the vine in John 15:1-11, though it's that in combination with
a lot of other verses that convict me it needs to be a daily habit. The
bible demonstrates people praying at all times of day, but I've noticed
in myself that if I dedicate the time first thing in the morning, I also
turn to him more frequently during the day!

Regarding trials, I'm feeling a little unclear theologically on some of
that, I have questions for my pastor! But James 1:2-4 "Count it all joy,
my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, for you know that
the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. And let steadfastness
have full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in
nothing". So I don't think God is punishing me, He knows I can take the
tests and I'm truly rejoicing that they are coming my way. You'd think
that complete paralysis would be very frightening, but even before I
turned to God in prayer, He was working within me to keep me calm and
reminding me that He was in complete control. When I could finally speak
again I was rejoicing in the experience I'd had.

Cheers
Anne

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Anne,
Just a thought, there is a small book that might help you, "When Bad Things
Happen To Good People", by Harold S. Kushner.  It helped me during a very
hard time.
Michelle G.

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Michelle, yes, that book is wonderful and has helped many people,
including me, during hard times.

Sunny

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Anne Rogers wrote:
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There's a very good reason why religious orders got up in the wee small
ours to listen to the still small voice...  If it works for you, do it.
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Not sure I'd go along with that all the way, but if it helps to keep you
calm when a mass of panic would be seriously counter productive, it's
working for you.

I'm glad you have found a measure of calm and peace in this set of troubles.

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I believe that a person is made up of physical, emotional, spiritual
and mental components. Each of these components have to be addressed
and balanced for us to feel "our best". What works one day is not
quite the right combination the next day.

A bit over a week ago I put my concerns aside, in an effort to assist
you in what you had posted was deep depression and suicidal thoughts.
I contacted my sister who works at the hospital near you, and posted
here how to get there, who to speak with, even her name since she was
available to work with you. I didn't have to do that, and neither did
she. Not even a "thank you, I appreciate the effort" comment from you.
Coming now it would be too late, coming after prompting from me it
would not seem heartfelt. She concurred with me that you were just
seeking attention and didn't want to really get help.

Ginger in CA

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Thank you Ginger for kindly saying what others of us have
been thinking.  This whole thing has been so bazarre to
watch unfold.  I hope Anne's handlers  step up
and help her.  She would probably be better served to have
her internet removed.  This kind of thing serves nobody in
such a public, long lasting forum.
Taria


I believe that a person is made up of physical, emotional, spiritual
and mental components. Each of these components have to be addressed
and balanced for us to feel "our best". What works one day is not
quite the right combination the next day.

A bit over a week ago I put my concerns aside, in an effort to assist
you in what you had posted was deep depression and suicidal thoughts.
I contacted my sister who works at the hospital near you, and posted
here how to get there, who to speak with, even her name since she was
available to work with you. I didn't have to do that, and neither did
she. Not even a "thank you, I appreciate the effort" comment from you.
Coming now it would be too late, coming after prompting from me it
would not seem heartfelt. She concurred with me that you were just
seeking attention and didn't want to really get help.

Ginger in CA




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I'm sure I replied to that post, I certainly remember reading it. My
reply was something along the lines of us not being with Group Health,
so it wouldn't have been something I could easily access.

Cheers
Anne

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I've double checked, I did reply to your message, I admit I didn't say a
  direct thank you, but I did sign of with "cheers" which is a sign of
appreciation and carried the same sentiment. I replied on Saturday
having been to the ER on Friday and been sent home, so I'd already done
what your sister suggested I do, there was just a timing issue, I'd
posted about how bad things were on the Thursday, ended up getting
checked in the ER on Friday, then received and responded to your post on
Saturday. I ended up there doing exactly what your sister suggested,
contacting my doctor, though as it was a Friday (she works M-Th) it was
her on call cover for that weekend. I'm sorry I didn't thank you more
clearly, but I felt my brief reply did cover it, that I did appreciate
the info, that I wasn't in Group Health and that I had done as she
suggested already.

Everything I've said on here has been the truth, I certainly haven't
invented any of the drama of the last week since the severe drug
reaction I had. I thought long and hard before sharing yesterday, but I
really felt that our family needed all the prayer it could get. If you
think I'm seeking attention, the best thing you can do is not reply.
Maybe I do need attention anyway, we all do at times and we've no need
to be ashamed of that, I came across this article
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8297039.stm in the last few days. I've
received precisely one card, from an ex aunt of my husband, who has had
life long struggles with depression. I'm glad his side of the family are
at least talking about what is going on, my side of the family don't
seem to be!

Honestly, I'm not even sure I'm mentally ill anymore, you'll probably
think I'm crazy, but I believe last Saturday that God worked a miracle
in my life and that all the attention should be on Him, not on me and I
want to shout that from the rooftops! I shall avoid rooftops lest anyone
thinks I'm about to jump off, but I'll take any other platform anyone
will let me have!

Cheers and Thanks, I do appreciate you contacting your sister and I'm
sorry you feel it was a wasted effort, sadly it was just information
that came a few hours too late.

Anne

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Talk about weirdo's!  Please keep your religion to yourself, or at least
private to those that believe as you do.  This discussion has been brought
up before on this group, and most don't think it is a place for far out
religion. I feel sorry for your family.
Gen


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Thank you Ginger.  You called it.
Gen

I believe that a person is made up of physical, emotional, spiritual
and mental components. Each of these components have to be addressed
and balanced for us to feel "our best". What works one day is not
quite the right combination the next day.

A bit over a week ago I put my concerns aside, in an effort to assist
you in what you had posted was deep depression and suicidal thoughts.
I contacted my sister who works at the hospital near you, and posted
here how to get there, who to speak with, even her name since she was
available to work with you. I didn't have to do that, and neither did
she. Not even a "thank you, I appreciate the effort" comment from you.
Coming now it would be too late, coming after prompting from me it
would not seem heartfelt. She concurred with me that you were just
seeking attention and didn't want to really get help.

Ginger in CA

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I read your message, Ginger.  And as I recall, Anne didn't have to be part
of Group Health to get the help your sister offered.  Your sister was very
generous in allowing her info to be posted in a public forum such as this.
Anyone truly ill would jump at any source of help not pick and choose
because of convenience.  Anne is definitely ill whether it be PP depression
or something else causing her to demand attention.
Nuff said, I'm going back to my sewing machine.

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Mary
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I'm sorry to see that the group has "turned" on Anne.  She obviously needs
help; now, whether she will accept it is another story.  If she is
experiencing mental problems, her view of her health is probably altered and
her ability to know that she must get help and accept it is lacking.  I know
it's extremely frustrating trying to help someone who does not grasp that
they need help.  Maybe we should just be there for her.  There's not much
else we can do via email.  I know many of us have offered prayers and advice
and direct help.  Other than that we cannot have to many expectations of
her.
God bless mental health workers,
Michelle G.

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Michelle,

I'm glad you addressed this because I didn't quite know how.  I agree
with your assessment.  However, it seems to me that it is not the entire
group; just a few.

Best regards,
Michelle in Nevada

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And I agree fully with both Michelle's.  Hope Anne
reads this and knows she has made many friends here
who care.....a lot!

Donna
in WA

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Some of us have a medical background and tho we believed everything at
first, as time went on, it became more difficult to believe.  IMO it would
have been better if this had been kept in emails between Anne and those
sympathetic friends, not in a quilting group.

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Mary
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A "medical background" does not necessarily result in an unclouded
perspective.  On the contrary, one of the saddest things about suffering is
its tendency to harden the hearts of those around it.  I have personally
been the victim of outright ignorance and cruelty on the part of the medical
"community," and I have PTSD because of it.  I cannot trust any medical
professional until they have earned my trust, and that's not easy to do.
Nothing personal; I'm just saying that professing a medical background does
not, and should not, earn the trust of many of us.

I was appalled to see how someone (I have puposefully forgotten who) was
angry at Anne for not paying attention to some relation or friend who was a
nurse, and being inadequately grateful for her advice.  Talk about your
arrogance.

When my mother was in the hospital for two months while they tried to figure
out what was wrong with her kidney, and I held her power of attorney, one of
my brothers came to me and said that he had spoken to a retired nurse who
said that all kidney problems could be diagnosed and treated within two
weeks.  That's just bull.  But it cause problems in my family because this
nurse had butted in where she had no business.

Similarly, I and my SO sometimes find it necessary explain my demeanor to
some nosy neighbor in a hospital room by telling them I have PTSD.  Mostly,
such people say something to the effect that they understand and then they
mind their own business.  But I have sometimes have such strangers insist
that I take their name and phone number so they can share their own wisdom,
impose their opinions as a nurse on me, drag me to their church, or
otherwise demonstrate what fools they are.

Anne has as much right as I do to ignore the advice of strangers, mistrust
medical professionals or people with "a medical background," or anyone who
is unkind to her.  She shows better sense than the people trying to advise
her by doing so.

Just my two cents.  A very well-educated and experience two cents.

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I will step up to you Edna Pearl and say I was the one who put my
sister's info on this group, after going to her. She lives near Anne
and is a nurse in the hospital near Anne. My sister offered her
resources. I live in CA and extended myself for this and my sister
backed me up. I don't consider it arrogant that I offered assistance
and was shot down. I have legal and medical background and am very
aware of Anne's condition.

Like Mary said, I'm going back to my sewing machine, and won't waste
my time responding to further drivel like your spouting.

Ginger in CA



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