OT: Talk me away from the edge of this cliff!

I've officially entered my love/hate stage of the holidays.

DBrother 2 has sent no less than 3 email messages telling the entire family Xmas will be celebrated at his house (Chicago suburbs) on Xmas Day. I understand why this plan appeals to him.

A) he'll have his son, DNephew 1 with him this year, B) he won't have to drag his son away from his Xmas presents and down to my parents, C) he gets to host Xmas at his house every year anyway, just usually on Xmas eve instead (I think a lot of times to accomodate his ex-wife and her family).

But this year DSis will be visiting my parents from out of state with her family (DBIL and 3 DNephews, including a 2 month old). I guess I wrongly assumed we'd be at my parents.

I know it's selfish, but I don't want to do this at all this year. If we go to Chicago suburbs, it means we'll have to visit David's family. Which should be fine, except, they can never agree on a plan. The last several years we've gone to great pains to get gifts for at least his young nephews. We get no acknowledgement of the gifts. Most of the time we are ignored by most of the people in his family. They'll maybe say hi to us when they arrive, but don't include us in any conversation after that. I can't suggest this to David without upsetting him, but I honestly feel like they want us there only so they don't have to feel guilty about ignoring or running out on his stepmother who has speech and mobility problems; plus the extra gifts. Plus, there's never any food there. Maybe a plate of crackers and cheese. So this year, we'd be there on Xmas Eve and maybe we'd get crackers and few slices of cheese to eat all day.

Xmas Day would be a DBro2's. Again, it would be nothing but finger food. And from past experience likely nothing would be open either Xmas Eve or Xmas Day where we could get a real meal before or after the obligatory visits.

We'd also have to pay for a hotel for at least 2 nights. And for the past several years, every time we go to Chicago 'burbs for Xmas the weather has been lousy for the 3-4 hour drive up.

DBro1 is fine with whatever apparently. DSis says she doesn't care it's up to Mom and Dad who haven't weighed in, but will probably agree to whatever DBro2 wants.

Can't help feeling it would just be so much more convient for us if we could do Xmas at my parents this year and do an "up and back" trip to see D's parents later in the week when we could take them out somewhere for a meal. We'd only have to drive an hour on Xmas Day, so could probably get by without needing a hotel room. I know, from past experience, that my Mom would find beds in her house for DBrother1, DBrother2, and DNephew. (She'd probably put all the kids except the baby in one room); DSis, DBIL, and baby in another; one DBrother in the basement and the other in the 4th Bedroom. There wouldn't be any room at the inn for David and I, but with only an hour each way, we'd be fine just driving back and forth from here to my Mom's house.

I'd love to say to everyone, nope we're staying home this year, you know where we live if you want to see us, we'll ship your loot to you. And while that would make me feel great short-term, long term it would just open up a world of much bigger problems.

So I'm going to have to muster up a cheerful and gracious response since David and I long ago agreed that I deal with my crazy family and he deals with his.

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mwoz2
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Stay home. Just you and David. Make it special and romantic and have exactly what you want to eat. Tell the family that the two of you 'have some special issues to resolve this year and need to do it alone.' They don't have to know that those 'special issues' are about food and your sanity. Those bigger problems? If people would get so twisted out of joint that they will torture you for taking care of your own needs, there will be 'a world of much bigger problems' down the road anyway.

Love and hoping for peace for you this year, Sunny

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Sunny

And while I was only mildly annoyed before, I've just gotten a fourth email from DBrother telling me it's all decided.

Really, because, I certainly haven't told you my thoughts on the matter yet as far as I know neither have my parents.

Grrr!

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mwoz2

Hold the phone!!! Maybe you didn't get the email yet, but here it is again.........Polly has invited us all to the swamp for 'gator on the grill. We are to bring............fill in the blank with your faves.

Seriously!! Who IS the boss of YOU? Are you not a grownup?? Can you NOT start your own traditions?? Listen to Nana & don't make me come there to set you relatives straight!! Soap box mode off.

Nana

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Nana.Wilson

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Polly Esther

There you go. You and David celebrate at home, then he goes to his family and you go to yours! Gen

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Gen

Ah! Nana, you are about half right which is pretty good considering. The gators are not the main dish, they are the honored guests. Best guard dogs in the South and we happily cater to their every whim. (Whatever that is.) I've been muddlin over mwoz2's woes with you. Before we reach any conclusions, we need to know: (1) Brother says it's all decided. Indeed? By whom? Him? and (2) Is mwoz2 on speaking terms with her mother? and what would be best 'for' her mother? My newsgroup messages arrive in pieces currently but I surely hope I get to see Chapter 2 of this one. Polly

"Nana.Wilson" Hold the phone!!! Maybe you didn't get the email yet, but here it is

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Polly Esther

Surely you can tell him that you have made other arrangements, and that you will be at your parents who will need your help with a house full of visitors, and that you can't let them down. I am sure your mother is hoping you will be there.

Also surely your Sister would prefer to be in one place where it will be easier for her to cope with two children and a baby. Perhaps a gentle chat with your parents and they will see the logic of staying at home this year. I am probably more of your parents generation and know that with the best will in the world we can't take on as much as we used to. They are probably much happier having a Christmas that doesn't involve rushing round the country.

With only 3 weeks to go he is cutting it a bit fine to change the arrangements - what about the food stocks that have already been ordered/bought/planned - men just don't always think of the practicalities.

You d> I've officially entered my love/hate stage of the holidays.

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Sally Swindells

Do you have a nice name or a nickname we can use here? Rather than the unpronounceable snipped-for-privacy@sbcglobal.net Having trouble picturing a pretty lass with no name! Cheers Bronnie

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Bronnie

That is Maureen there I think. I am confused as to someone having a holiday and there being no food. Sorry, but that is a deal breaker for me. I am not going anywhere to be hungry. That trumps everything else right off the bat for me. Stay home and cook and enjoy yourselves. There is no other obligation other than what you let them impose on you. Start your own traditions. I have spent more holidays on the road than I care to for the rest of my life. With a kid that often works holidays we just do our own thing on alternate days with less traffic now. It is working out really well. Give it a try. Hugs to you. This stuff is way tougher than it should be for so many of us. : ( Taria

Do you have a nice name or a nickname we can use here? Rather than the unpronounceable snipped-for-privacy@sbcglobal.net Having trouble picturing a pretty lass with no name! Cheers Bronnie

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Taria

You have the right [and obligation to your sanity] to do what you want to do. Is there another time around the holidays you can visit with your parents? It sounds like your DBrother 2 is used to issuing an edict and everyone jumps through the hoop. I'm betting more than one of us around this cyber-frame has a similar relative.

Start your own traditions. You may unknowingly be starting something other in the family have been wanting to do, also!

G> I've officially entered my love/hate stage of the holidays.

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Ginger in CA

We have a similar drama unfolding in our family currently. DBro1 lives in NC; we live in NJ; rest of family (DSis, DBro1 and Dad) live in CT. DH and I usually manage to go to CT at some time during the holiday season. DBro1 has not been to CT for Christmas for many years. Each year I ask him what their plans are before making our travel arrangements. If they are going to CT, we would manage to be there at the same time so everyone could be together. This is the first time in about 15 yrs. that he and his family are going to CT at all over the holiday. Their plan is/was to arrive daytime 23rd and leave on evening of 25th to head back as SIL has to be at work Mon. AM. Understandable. Their 3 kids are 17-21. Meanwhile, back at the farm, DSis suggests we do a family portrait for Dad since we'll all be together for Christmas for the first time in many years. Great idea. What better gift for him. Dad is very excited everyone will be there. I change our plans to go a day earlier to accommodate photo shoot. An extra night in hotel - oh well. Now...DBro1 doesn't know if they will be able to accommodate the photo shoot (7:30 or 8PM on

23rd) because SIL will be visiting her cousin a couple of towns over (about 25 min. drive away). After several conversations between DSis and DBro1 it comes out they are actually planning to stay at SIL cousin's house that night. DBro1 told me originally he was planning on housing his kids with Dad and he and SIL would stay in a hotel. He hasn't even told Dad any of that yet - I got to surprise Dad with that plan this afternoon. Before I found out they weren't getting to Dad until 24th! Not really sure why they apparently don't want to do the photo. Can only imagine SIL has an issue and DBro1 won't make an executive decision. Not sure how it will pan out. I sent a polite email to all siblings earlier today suggesting as many of us as possible include some of late Mom's jewelery in the photo to make it a 'complete' family portrait. DBro1 suggested at one point to do the photo without them. Hopefully the guilt will come through in the email to him.

Maureen - go with what makes you and David happy. It's nice to be as accommodating as possible but it doesn't mean you need to make yourselves crazy in the process. Do as I say - not as I do!

Kim in NJ

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AuntK

It's been so very helpful to read what all of you are dealing with. Our plan is quite different since we're on the 'other end' of the travel but your needs have certainly been enlightening. We have kith and kin who will come by Christmas Day. All have other visits to make. Some will arrive stuffed to the gills with another stop or two to make before they can go home and collapse. Some will be starving. So. I've decided to do a Grand Pizza Production. I've promised every topping I can think of and a really fine supply of pizza crusts. It ought to be comfortable to prepare pizza at 12, 2, 4 and/or 7 without giving anyone food poisoning or killing me. I've asked both kith and kin to let me know if their favorite pizza requires Reece's Peanut Buttercups or something else weird. I've also told them that they can opt for Alka-Seltzer, Pepto-Bismal or a nap on the new guest room mattress. The pizza sauce recipe requires a dry red wine. What do you recommend? Really. I am pitifully ignorant about wine choices. I know an aged expensive one is not required but don't have a clue what would be really good. Polly

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Polly Esther

So what happens if you just book a nice trip to timbuktoo, or anywhere that isn't Chicago? You are surely old enough to start your own holiday traditions! Mailing gifts to children young enough to think gifts are important is fine, but I wouldn't repeat it if nobody ever acknowledged it. You can go visit your respective parents at some less stressful time.

If you do end up go>I've officially entered my love/hate stage of the holidays.

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Roberta

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Roberta

Polly, sorry I can't help more as I'm not a 'red' person. Although I would be interested in the final result. I generally don't drink red wine as they are too sweet for me. A dry red would be interesting. The only advice I've ever been given with respect to cooking with wine is 'don't cook with something you wouldn't drink on it's own'. With that said, stop in your local wine retailer that has an in-house expert and ask their advice. Unless someone here comes back with a favorite. Explain that you don't want to spend a bundle but want something quite delicious. Good luck. Sounds quite yummy and fun.

Kim in NJ

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AuntK

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:17:50 -0600, Sunny wrote (in article ):

After last year we'd all but decided to do that. But, DSis is coming home for Xmas for the first time in 6 or 7 years. Since before she had kids. For her, it was a real struggle to be able to do this and it's the first time we've ever had a chance to spend the holiday with her little boys. Staying home this year might make me feel good, but will hurt her. And I just can't do that to her.

I expect I'll just have to suck it up. One part of me knows that's what I have to do. The other part just wants to throw a tantrum.

Maureen

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Maureen Wozniak

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:10:13 -0600, Taria wrote (in article ):

The foods just not an issue for David's family. The rest of them are local and are always going home to eat or to their in-laws for a real dinner. So they could just care less about whether there are eats at the family gathering.

Maureen

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Maureen Wozniak

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 16:55:11 -0600, Nana.Wilson wrote (in article ):

Do the gators prefer PITA in-laws or PITA blood relatives?

Maureen

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Maureen Wozniak

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 18:05:56 -0600, Sally Swindells wrote (in article ):

I've sent an email to Sister to try and find out what she really wants to do. But a lot of things for her are water off a ducks back. I suspect I'm just going to have to listen to the part of me that is saying to just let it alone and do what's going to make everyone else happy.

Fairly certain that what no one is saying is that DBrother 2's ex-wife is driving all of this with whatever it is she is demanding today.

Personally, I don't see why we have to cater to her--that's why custody agreements and visitation schedules are written down in black and white. But she usually does get her own way.

maureen

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Maureen Wozniak

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