OT totally - 2 kind thoughts asked for.

Couldn't think of a topic sentence at all that is meaningful without explai= ning here! A tennis buddy of mine here in Queensland Australia recently traveled with = her husband, daughter and son-in-law to Florida for a vacation. The daughte= r was about 16 weeks pregnant and whilst in Florida she had pregnancy compl= ications and the bady was born premature in a hospital there. =20 It has made the national news here because her travel insurance won't cover= as it is an 'already existing condition' (of pregnancy) and the babe is in= intensive care in Florida racking up huge costs daily in care.=20 It is a most unusual case and horrific for the family concerned without us = questioning why one would travel overseas advanced in pregnancy. I wonder if it has made the news in the US, maybe just in Florida. Not sure= if solutions are forthcoming; I think the family is trying to raise funds = here. The mother remains there, with her babe in ICU, in Ranald McDonald h= ousing whilst the rest of the family have returned to Australia. The mothe= r is there with no friends or familiar surroundings. Just asking for kind thoughts for them.

My little drama pales into insignificance in comparison -- I got attacked b= y a neighbour's mixed breed dog 3 weeks ago. The dog latched onto my sandal= ed foot and gave me 4 very deep wounds which have been treated with very st= rong antibiotics, not stitched because of infection worries. All clear now= and healing well, but the emotional healing is taking a little longer (sig= h). Very traumatic. The dog was behind a solid gate so I had no idea it wa= s there and of course he didn't know I was about to open the gate. The neighbours (we don't know them well but always had a cordial relationsh= ip with them) are being non-cooperative so I am seeking legal advice to try= and recoup my medical and out of pocket expenses (over $1500). A little p= rayer for me tacked on the babe's prayer will help me too.

Hugs Bronnie OZ

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Bronnie
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Good thoughts on the way! So sorry that something as joyful as a birth has been overwhelmed by so much unpleasantness. I do sympathize, having moved to a foreign country when I was about 3 months along.

As for you, Br>Couldn't think of a topic sentence at all that is meaningful without explaining here!

husband, daughter and son-in-law to Florida for a vacation. The daughter was about 16 weeks pregnant and whilst in Florida she had pregnancy complications and the bady was born premature in a hospital there.

it is an 'already existing condition' (of pregnancy) and the babe is in intensive care in Florida racking up huge costs daily in care.

questioning why one would travel overseas advanced in pregnancy.

solutions are forthcoming; I think the family is trying to raise funds here. The mother remains there, with her babe in ICU, in Ranald McDonald housing whilst the rest of the family have returned to Australia. The mother is there with no friends or familiar surroundings.

neighbour's mixed breed dog 3 weeks ago. The dog latched onto my sandaled foot and gave me 4 very deep wounds which have been treated with very strong antibiotics, not stitched because of infection worries. All clear now and healing well, but the emotional healing is taking a little longer (sigh). Very traumatic. The dog was behind a solid gate so I had no idea it was there and of course he didn't know I was about to open the gate.

with them) are being non-cooperative so I am seeking legal advice to try and recoup my medical and out of pocket expenses (over $1500). A little prayer for me tacked on the babe's prayer will help me too.

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Roberta

h her husband, daughter and son-in-law to Florida for a vacation. The daugh= ter was about 16 weeks pregnant and whilst in Florida she had pregnancy com= plications and the bady was born premature in a hospital there.

er as it is an 'already existing condition' (of pregnancy) and the babe is = in intensive care in Florida racking up huge costs daily in care.

s questioning why one would travel overseas advanced in pregnancy.

re if solutions are forthcoming; I think the family is trying to raise fund= s here. =A0The mother remains there, with her babe in ICU, in Ranald McDona= ld housing whilst the rest of the family have returned to Australia. =A0The= mother is there with no friends or familiar surroundings.

by a neighbour's mixed breed dog 3 weeks ago. The dog latched onto my sand= aled foot and gave me 4 very deep wounds which have been treated with very = strong antibiotics, not stitched because of infection worries. =A0All clear= now and healing well, but the emotional healing is taking a little longer = (sigh). =A0Very traumatic. The dog was behind a solid gate so I had no idea= it was there and of course he didn't know I was about to open the gate.

ship with them) are being non-cooperative so I am seeking legal advice to t= ry and recoup my medical and out of pocket expenses (over $1500). =A0A litt= le prayer for me tacked on the babe's prayer will help me too.

Prayers and comforting thoughts for your friend and her babe. I read about her and her family. My thoughts are that pregnancy is not an illness, just pregnant. The fact she had her baby premature is no reason not to be covered by the insurance policy. The stress she must be feeling is sure to take its toll on her. I sure hope common sense prevails here.

More prayers and healing thoughts for you Bronnie, I hope your neighbours see some sense as well.

(((((hugs))))))

Di

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dima

Hoping the best for you and the new baby Bronnie. Taria

Couldn't think of a topic sentence at all that is meaningful without explaining here! A tennis buddy of mine here in Queensland Australia recently traveled with her husband, daughter and son-in-law to Florida for a vacation. The daughter was about 16 weeks pregnant and whilst in Florida she had pregnancy complications and the bady was born premature in a hospital there. It has made the national news here because her travel insurance won't cover as it is an 'already existing condition' (of pregnancy) and the babe is in intensive care in Florida racking up huge costs daily in care. It is a most unusual case and horrific for the family concerned without us questioning why one would travel overseas advanced in pregnancy. I wonder if it has made the news in the US, maybe just in Florida. Not sure if solutions are forthcoming; I think the family is trying to raise funds here. The mother remains there, with her babe in ICU, in Ranald McDonald housing whilst the rest of the family have returned to Australia. The mother is there with no friends or familiar surroundings. Just asking for kind thoughts for them.

My little drama pales into insignificance in comparison -- I got attacked by a neighbour's mixed breed dog 3 weeks ago. The dog latched onto my sandaled foot and gave me 4 very deep wounds which have been treated with very strong antibiotics, not stitched because of infection worries. All clear now and healing well, but the emotional healing is taking a little longer (sigh). Very traumatic. The dog was behind a solid gate so I had no idea it was there and of course he didn't know I was about to open the gate. The neighbours (we don't know them well but always had a cordial relationship with them) are being non-cooperative so I am seeking legal advice to try and recoup my medical and out of pocket expenses (over $1500). A little prayer for me tacked on the babe's prayer will help me too.

Hugs Bronnie OZ

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Taria

Howdy!

Thanks for the heads-up, Bronnie.

Baby story:

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Wow...... wow.

Pooh on your neighbors who keep a dangerous dog un-tethered in the front yard. Bless you. Hugs,

Ragmop/Sandy

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Sandy E

h her husband, daughter and son-in-law to Florida for a vacation. The daugh= ter was about 16 weeks pregnant and whilst in Florida she had pregnancy com= plications and the bady was born premature in a hospital there. =20

er as it is an 'already existing condition' (of pregnancy) and the babe is = in intensive care in Florida racking up huge costs daily in care.=20

s questioning why one would travel overseas advanced in pregnancy.

re if solutions are forthcoming; I think the family is trying to raise fund= s here. The mother remains there, with her babe in ICU, in Ranald McDonald= housing whilst the rest of the family have returned to Australia. The mot= her is there with no friends or familiar surroundings.

by a neighbour's mixed breed dog 3 weeks ago. The dog latched onto my sand= aled foot and gave me 4 very deep wounds which have been treated with very = strong antibiotics, not stitched because of infection worries. All clear n= ow and healing well, but the emotional healing is taking a little longer (s= igh). Very traumatic. The dog was behind a solid gate so I had no idea it = was there and of course he didn't know I was about to open the gate.

ship with them) are being non-cooperative so I am seeking legal advice to t= ry and recoup my medical and out of pocket expenses (over $1500). A little= prayer for me tacked on the babe's prayer will help me too.

Correction:the pregnancy was 24.weeks. Still well a preppy. Thanks for post= ing link Sandy E. Bron

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Bronnie

her husband, daughter and son-in-law to Florida for a vacation. The daughter was about 16 weeks pregnant and whilst in Florida she had pregnancy complications and the bady was born premature in a hospital there.

as it is an 'already existing condition' (of pregnancy) and the babe is in intensive care in Florida racking up huge costs daily in care.

questioning why one would travel overseas advanced in pregnancy.

if solutions are forthcoming; I think the family is trying to raise funds here. The mother remains there, with her babe in ICU, in Ranald McDonald housing whilst the rest of the family have returned to Australia. The mother is there with no friends or familiar surroundings.

a neighbour's mixed breed dog 3 weeks ago. The dog latched onto my sandaled foot and gave me 4 very deep wounds which have been treated with very strong antibiotics, not stitched because of infection worries. All clear now and healing well, but the emotional healing is taking a little longer (sigh). Very traumatic. The dog was behind a solid gate so I had no idea it was there and of course he didn't know I was about to open the gate.

with them) are being non-cooperative so I am seeking legal advice to try and recoup my medical and out of pocket expenses (over $1500). A little prayer for me tacked on the babe's prayer will help me too.

link Sandy E.

Bronnie,

It even made the news in Denmark... As much for the news as to warn people about the importance of knowing what your insurance covers (we are so used to health care being paid for entirely over the taxes).

Whereas pregnancy could possibly be termed a pre-existing condition, problems (such as a very premature labour) can surely not.

In Virginia, for example, insurance companies cannot not pay for pregnancy related stuff due to it being preexisting to you taking out the insurance, that is simply not allowed.

I feel very sorry for the family to be caught up in all this - add to that that apparently being born to Australian parents overseas does not automatically and easily make you an Australian citizen, and so (that was according to the Danish news, mind) the parents are having to get apply for a visa to take the baby home (eventually). The stress must be crazy! I hope something works out for them very soon.

And for you with your medical and other expences and your neighbours, too!

Hanne in DK

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Hanne in DK

That is a really sad story. She needs friends & family to help her thru this ordeal.

As for your neighbor's dog bite -it would seem to me that the dog should be labeled "dangerous" and perhaps euthanized if he bites with provocation! I'm a huge dog lover, but that does not sounds like a friendly neighborhood dog. What if it was a child???!!!

My little drama pales into insignificance in comparison -- I got attacked by a neighbour's mixed breed dog 3 weeks ago. The dog latched onto my sandaled foot and gave me 4 very deep wounds which have been treated with very strong antibiotics, not stitched because of infection worries. All clear now and healing well, but the emotional healing is taking a little longer (sigh). Very traumatic. The dog was behind a solid gate so I had no idea it was there and of course he didn't know I was about to open the gate. The neighbours (we don't know them well but always had a cordial relationship with them) are being non-cooperative so I am seeking legal advice to try and recoup my medical and out of pocket expenses (over $1500). A little prayer for me tacked on the babe's prayer will help me too.

Hugs Bronnie OZ

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Pauline

h her husband, daughter and son-in-law to Florida for a vacation. The daugh= ter was about 16 weeks pregnant and whilst in Florida she had pregnancy com= plications and the bady was born premature in a hospital there.

er as it is an 'already existing condition' (of pregnancy) and the babe is = in intensive care in Florida racking up huge costs daily in care.

s questioning why one would travel overseas advanced in pregnancy.

re if solutions are forthcoming; I think the family is trying to raise fund= s here. =A0The mother remains there, with her babe in ICU, in Ranald McDona= ld housing whilst the rest of the family have returned to Australia. =A0The= mother is there with no friends or familiar surroundings.

by a neighbour's mixed breed dog 3 weeks ago. The dog latched onto my sand= aled foot and gave me 4 very deep wounds which have been treated with very = strong antibiotics, not stitched because of infection worries. =A0All clear= now and healing well, but the emotional healing is taking a little longer = (sigh). =A0Very traumatic. The dog was behind a solid gate so I had no idea= it was there and of course he didn't know I was about to open the gate.

ship with them) are being non-cooperative so I am seeking legal advice to t= ry and recoup my medical and out of pocket expenses (over $1500). =A0A litt= le prayer for me tacked on the babe's prayer will help me too.

Bronnie, So sorry to hear of your friends' plight here! And I thought American insurance companies were horrible! Here, at least, if you are covered by insurance prior to conception, your pregnancy and complications are covered (limited by coverages, of course). But hopefully you don't need someone else to discuss your bills with any hospital or Dr. offices! They won't talk to you. DH had some xrays done a couple of years ago, by what he was told was a 'participating provider' and they are still trying to bill us. And to top it off, the hospital will not discuss the bill with me citing 'HIPPA' (confidentiality) regulations even though all the HIPPA forms at the hospital and insurance company were signed! I give up. Hopefully calmer heads will prevail and the insurance will come through eventually.

As to your neighbor's dog and your bite...glad to hear you are healing but I'd be looking for recourse as well. As a dog owner myself, if my dogs harm another dog or person - which has not happened but I know anything is possible - the first words out of my mouth are 'give me the bills'. We were on your end of that situation a number of years ago. I had taken my dog for a walk to the firehouse where DH was. Some of the children there were playing with a ball and decided to play 'monkey in the middle' with the dog. Ball was not caught by child and went across the street. Dog ran for ball and on his way back across, the adult daughter of 'friends/accquaintances' hit the dog with her car. Made a doggie ambulance out of FH member's pick up truck and rushed w/police escort to the vet. He was badly bruised and shaken up and required an overnight stay plus weeks of healing. Not a peep out of the girl responsible or the 'friends' about compensation. I would have declined the offer, but that is not the point. I believe the offer should be made regardless of circumstances. Any dog can be startled into doing something it would not normally do.

Healing thoughts for all.

Kim in NJ

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AuntK

A similar case happened in Vancouver and the parents ended up with a $1,000,000.00 bill. The hospital gave them some 'discounts' and they also signed an agreement to pay off the debt at a certain amount each month. The couple would have to live over 350 years to pay that off. Then the Australian government decided that these people should be helped with this humoungus debt. I haven't heard anything about this lately, but maybe you can find information in Australian newspaper sites.

My little drama pales into insignificance in comparison -- I got attacked by a neighbour's mixed breed dog 3 weeks ago. The dog latched onto my sandaled foot and gave me 4 very deep wounds which have been treated with very strong antibiotics, not stitched because of infection worries. All clear now and healing well, but the emotional healing is taking a little longer (sigh). Very traumatic. The dog was behind a solid gate so I had no idea it was there and of course he didn't know I was about to open the gate. The neighbours (we don't know them well but always had a cordial relationship with them) are being non-cooperative so I am seeking legal advice to try and recoup my medical and out of pocket expenses (over $1500). A little prayer for me tacked on the babe's prayer will help me too.

Hugs Bronnie OZ

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larchie

I pray the young mother and baby get the medical help and financial help th= ey need and they will be well after this experience. What a sad situation= from sooooo many angles.

As far as your dog bite goes, many years ago I took my sons and St. Bernard= to my office to do some filing on a Sunday morning before we went on a pic= nic. Not a smart idea, but I did. :-/ The pup jumped thru a huge plate= glass window inside the office area and left a big hole in the glass! My= homeowner's insurance covered the damage less my deductible- but the dog's= minor injuries were my responsibility at the vet's office. (Thank goodne= ss she only had two small cuts in her eyebrow area.) Perhaps your insuran= ce laws also cover damages/injuries caused by a homeowner's dog? I hope y= ou can get the neighbor to cooperate and make things right with you.

Being the owner of three large dogs, I am very aware of my responsibilities=

- and the safety of both humans and my dogs. My dogs are specifically list= ed in my homeowner's insurance policy- and owning certain breeds will preve= nt this company issuing a policy. Owners of Rotties and pit bulls (and a = few other breeds, as well) cannot be insured by this particular company. It= really isn't fair since their are some very sweet and well-trained dogs of= those breeds but the breeds have a 'reputation'. =20

I wish more people were aware of their responsibilities in dog ownership...= . it makes it more difficult for those of us who are informed, aware and ca= reful. (sigh)

Leslie & The Furbabuies in MO.

h her husband, daughter and son-in-law to Florida for a vacation. The daugh= ter was about 16 weeks pregnant and whilst in Florida she had pregnancy com= plications and the bady was born premature in a hospital there. =20

er as it is an 'already existing condition' (of pregnancy) and the babe is = in intensive care in Florida racking up huge costs daily in care.=20

s questioning why one would travel overseas advanced in pregnancy.

re if solutions are forthcoming; I think the family is trying to raise fund= s here. The mother remains there, with her babe in ICU, in Ranald McDonald= housing whilst the rest of the family have returned to Australia. The mot= her is there with no friends or familiar surroundings.

by a neighbour's mixed breed dog 3 weeks ago. The dog latched onto my sand= aled foot and gave me 4 very deep wounds which have been treated with very = strong antibiotics, not stitched because of infection worries. All clear n= ow and healing well, but the emotional healing is taking a little longer (s= igh). Very traumatic. The dog was behind a solid gate so I had no idea it = was there and of course he didn't know I was about to open the gate.

ship with them) are being non-cooperative so I am seeking legal advice to t= ry and recoup my medical and out of pocket expenses (over $1500). A little= prayer for me tacked on the babe's prayer will help me too.

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Leslie & The Furbabies in MO.

they need and they will be well after this experience. What a sad situati= on from sooooo many angles.

rd to my office to do some filing on a Sunday morning before we went on a p= icnic. Not a smart idea, but I did. :-/ The pup jumped thru a huge pla= te glass window inside the office area and left a big hole in the glass! = My homeowner's insurance covered the damage less my deductible- but the dog= 's minor injuries were my responsibility at the vet's office. (Thank good= ness she only had two small cuts in her eyebrow area.) Perhaps your insur= ance laws also cover damages/injuries caused by a homeowner's dog? I hope= you can get the neighbor to cooperate and make things right with you.

es- and the safety of both humans and my dogs. My dogs are specifically li= sted in my homeowner's insurance policy- and owning certain breeds will pre= vent this company issuing a policy. Owners of Rotties and pit bulls (and = a few other breeds, as well) cannot be insured by this particular company. = It really isn't fair since their are some very sweet and well-trained dogs = of those breeds but the breeds have a 'reputation'. =20

... it makes it more difficult for those of us who are informed, aware and = careful. (sigh)

plaining here!

ith her husband, daughter and son-in-law to Florida for a vacation. The dau= ghter was about 16 weeks pregnant and whilst in Florida she had pregnancy c= omplications and the bady was born premature in a hospital there. =20

over as it is an 'already existing condition' (of pregnancy) and the babe i= s in intensive care in Florida racking up huge costs daily in care.=20

us questioning why one would travel overseas advanced in pregnancy.

sure if solutions are forthcoming; I think the family is trying to raise fu= nds here. The mother remains there, with her babe in ICU, in Ranald McDona= ld housing whilst the rest of the family have returned to Australia. The m= other is there with no friends or familiar surroundings.

ed by a neighbour's mixed breed dog 3 weeks ago. The dog latched onto my sa= ndaled foot and gave me 4 very deep wounds which have been treated with ver= y strong antibiotics, not stitched because of infection worries. All clear= now and healing well, but the emotional healing is taking a little longer = (sigh). Very traumatic. The dog was behind a solid gate so I had no idea i= t was there and of course he didn't know I was about to open the gate.

onship with them) are being non-cooperative so I am seeking legal advice to= try and recoup my medical and out of pocket expenses (over $1500). A litt= le prayer for me tacked on the babe's prayer will help me too.

Thanks dear friends for your kind thoughts on both situations. The problem with the dog attack is, like all good neighbours, WE assumed th= at they would immediately admit liability. I would say most, if not all, ho= use insurance in Australia has public liability automatically factored in. = You slip on my wet front step; my cat/dog attacks - its covered. I don't k= now what the neighbour's position is as they won't have a meeting with us. = The other complication is that I felt morally bound (and 3 doctors attendin= g me advised me to do so) to report the dog attack to the council. What if= I had been holding a small child by the hand at the gate? =20 I didn't rush that decision, 2 weeks, but the neighbours went on a rant whe= n they found out. And I was waiting for final medical bills to come in befo= re talking about that. They haven't given us a chance to talk calmly and ra= tionally about it. It looks like that I will have to submit a 'civil liabil= ity' claim with them. I have filled out the forms and am seeing a lawyer t= omorrow, to assist me in filing it (no charge which is nice). I had no int= ention about loading up the claim with 'pain and suffering, trauma' (yes, I= will be seeing a counsellor), but now I definitely will - their position i= s causing me stress.

Lesson: you can't second-guess people's stance, prepare for 3 outcomes, and= they go with a 4th.

Hugs Bronnie

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Bronnie

they need and they will be well after this experience. =A0 What a sad situa= tion from sooooo many angles.

rd to my office to do some filing on a Sunday morning before we went on a p= icnic. =A0 Not a smart idea, but I did. =A0:-/ =A0 The pup jumped thru a hu= ge plate glass window inside the office area and left a big hole in the gla= ss! =A0 My homeowner's insurance covered the damage less my deductible- but= the dog's minor injuries were my responsibility at the vet's office. =A0 (= Thank goodness she only had two small cuts in her eyebrow area.) =A0 Perhap= s your insurance laws also cover damages/injuries caused by a homeowner's d= og? =A0 I hope you can get the neighbor to cooperate and make things right = with you.

es- and the safety of both humans and my dogs. =A0My dogs are specifically = listed in my homeowner's insurance policy- and owning certain breeds will p= revent this company issuing a policy. =A0 Owners of Rotties and pit bulls (= and a few other breeds, as well) cannot be insured by this particular compa= ny. It really isn't fair since their are some very sweet and well-trained d= ogs of those breeds but the breeds have a 'reputation'.

... it makes it more difficult for those of us who are informed, aware and = careful. =A0(sigh)

plaining here!

ith her husband, daughter and son-in-law to Florida for a vacation. The dau= ghter was about 16 weeks pregnant and whilst in Florida she had pregnancy c= omplications and the bady was born premature in a hospital there.

over as it is an 'already existing condition' (of pregnancy) and the babe i= s in intensive care in Florida racking up huge costs daily in care.

us questioning why one would travel overseas advanced in pregnancy.

sure if solutions are forthcoming; I think the family is trying to raise fu= nds here. =A0The mother remains there, with her babe in ICU, in Ranald McDo= nald housing whilst the rest of the family have returned to Australia. =A0T= he mother is there with no friends or familiar surroundings.

ed by a neighbour's mixed breed dog 3 weeks ago. The dog latched onto my sa= ndaled foot and gave me 4 very deep wounds which have been treated with ver= y strong antibiotics, not stitched because of infection worries. =A0All cle= ar now and healing well, but the emotional healing is taking a little longe= r (sigh). =A0Very traumatic. The dog was behind a solid gate so I had no id= ea it was there and of course he didn't know I was about to open the gate.

onship with them) are being non-cooperative so I am seeking legal advice to= try and recoup my medical and out of pocket expenses (over $1500). =A0A li= ttle prayer for me tacked on the babe's prayer will help me too.

Leslie, my BIL had, for a number of years, pit bulls. They were darlings. Let the kids sleep on them, etc. But, as you say, because of the breed, needed to pay extra for homeowners insurance. Same insurance company does not require us to pay extra for our labs.

Bronnie, I understand why you have waited to deal with your neighbors. Shouldn't make a difference. They are just being 'difficult' I think. I would know what my dog did when and would take care of the issue regardless of (acceptable - i.e., within weeks; couple of months) of time lapsed. It's unfortunate that you have to go to these lengths and I hope your efforts prevail.

Kim in NJ

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AuntK

Prayers going out for your friend and also for you. Barbara in SC

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