Bishop ("Poet") Sleeve Blouse Pattern

Hello. I'm searching for an old Butterick pattern in Misses sizes. I call it a bishop sleeve blouse, but Mom says it's called "Poet" sleeve. Basically, the distinguishing features are 1) high (Victorian) neck,

2) perfectly round yolk (when you lay the front/back yolk pieces on the table), 3) *extremely* full gathered sleeves AND blouse front/back. The gathers in the sleeves appear to join seemlessly with the gathers in the front/back pieces so that you can't really tell that there is in fact any separation between them.

The sleeve, at the cuff, is also extremely full and gathered, and the cuff itself often long and Victorian looking. A friend told me she found a similar but not exact design in a costume section of a pattern book around 2000-2001, and it was called Frontier Family, or something like that.

Anyway, I had the blouse pattern several years ago but either lost or discarded it during a home-move.

If this rings a bell to anyone, and anyone knows where I can buy it (or another company's version), OR if anyone has one to sell, I'd appreciate hearing from you!

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violetvache
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This sounds like a 'gypsy' top, and very similar to the standard Renaissance fair wench chemise, but with a yoke rather than a draw cord or elastic. you could easily add a yoke to one of these patterns.

Take a look in the Simplicity and McCalls costume sections. You could add a deep cuff to the 3/4 length sleeve versions. Remember to taper the cuff to fit the arm.

A Bishop sleeve is gathered at the sleeve head into a traditional set in armscye. It isn't usually gathered under the arm because of the yoke.

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Kate Dicey

There's a Folk Wear pattern called a Poet's Shirt:

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also have a number of other "vintage" style patterns. Maybe one of themwill work?

Cappy

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Cappy

A "Bishop sleeve" was a popular styly in the victorian period. It is basically a bell-sleeve (narrower at the top and wider at the bottom) that was gathered into a cuff.

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zski

Thanks, Cappy and Everybody. I found the *exact* pattern I wanted at

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violetvache

I'm bookmarking that one! :) Thanks!

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Kate Dicey

You're certainly welcome. If y'all are using Internet Explorer, consider giving Firefox browser a test-drive.

I always thought browser-shopping was stuff for geeks with too much time on their hands until my computer was hijacked by a p*rn long distance total stranger (true, terrifying story), and my hard drive was literally wiped out, and my long distance phone bill was charged $73. (I'm still fighting this bill with our state Attorney General.)

It was *the* most frightening thing that ever happened to me online (p*rn icons started appearing on my desktop, I could not access my own files--this was like something you think would happen to a corporation, not a little old online user).

Well, some young boy said "install Firefox, and forget it." I did and never looked back. Firefox internet searches come up with individual sites--only one per search term. When I put in "old Butterick patterns" in the address bar, that's when I found oldpatterns.com.

Anyway, try it, you might like it! And thanks again to everyone who posted.

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violetvache

I'm a Mozilla fan myself, and DH has worked in computing and computer related stuff for 30 years, so we have fairly heavy firewalls and message filtering here. It's always good to hear about alternative, though.

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Kate Dicey

*ahem*

Kate uses Mozilla, the integrated browser-and-newsreader package, because she is familiar with it and, behind our wireless NAT router and Zone Alarm and Macafee it is fairly malware-proof.

I use Firefox and Thunderbird, behind the same NAT router but without Zone Alarm. I like the separation of email/newsreader and browser software, and separation from the Evil M$ Empire affords us both some degree of immunity from attacks. We both use Mailwasher to filter and preprocess our email - its a great tool.

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Alan Dicey

Which pattern did you get?

Just curious...

Cappy

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Cappy

Lord, I should have written it down, shouldn't I? (There was a database form you just fill in.) Anyhoo, it's on the 1984-1985 link, I think, and has nothing but (Simplicity) versions of the Bishop sleeve. She hasn't shipped it yet, but there's another great 1983 pattern with...what do you call mutton-leg sleeves that aren't really mutton-leg, but start really gathered, then taper in ONE PIECE to the wrist? Maybe *they're* "Bishop" sleeves.

God do I love the styles from the Princess Diana years! That was when girls and women dressed like girls and women. What's wrong with ruffles and gathers and *more* ruffle and gathers? (And I don't mean today's pretentious over-architectural, over-elaborate stuff!!!)

Nice kind folks here...

Thanks to one of you, I printed the Joann's Midnight Madness coupon and paid $25 instead of $50 for two-and-a-half yards of purple velvet, and $.99 for a neat McCall's riding jacket pattern. (*Really* good pattern, princess-seamed, with some silly teenage maribou trim you don't need to add... But I accidentally left the pattern at a nursing home I visit and don't have that number either!!) Joann's conveniently had no fire-engine red velvet in, which is what I went to buy, just mangy colors.

So the sweet manager admitted there were unopened boxes, and she and I carried some down from upper shelves, but no fire engine red. Since she said she doesn't know if there'll be another 50% coupon between now and Christmas, I opted for true purple (50% blue, 50% red). I tell you, Joann's doesn't know how popular red fabric is, or else they purposely keep it away from the autumn sales.

I was maid-of-honor to a midlife bride last November, slipped cutting a tulip-shaped garnet skirt from their most $$ brand of satin, tried to buy more-- None. Ended up walking down the aisle with my ankles showing.

(And thank you, Diceys. I'm going to check out Thunderbird. I didn't even know it existed. I don't really understand the difference between Mozilla and Firefox, but I'll check that out too.)

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violetvache

snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote: I don't really understand the difference between Mozilla and Firefox, but I'll check that out too.

Same company, just different flavored browsers.

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julia

Thunderbird and Firefox are to Mozilla what MS Word and Excel are to MS Office, basically. It's a trifle more complicated than that, but that's the gist of it.

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Melinda Meahan - take out TRAS

Cuz they make some of us look like lampshades?

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zski

I love Firefox, (though I prefer Mozilla's dinosaur logo) but I'm not too keen on Thunderbird. I'm using it, but I still think OE is a better newsreader.

I just kept hearing that it is a huge security risk, so I do not use it.

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Angrie.Woman

Me too. I was browsing the 80's patterns thinking those same thoughts. People tend to make fun of '80's fashions, but looking back at old movies and old patterns - I really think they had some wonderful lines.

(ok - leg warmers were maybe a bit much....)

They're both made by the same people. Alan can explain it better though...

What add ons do you have? That's the best part of Firefox, I think! I have Googlebar, Adblock, TabBrowser Preferences, IE view, No Script,

1-click weather, Bug-Me-Not and eBay Negs.

I don't know how I lived before I had AdBlock...

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Angrie.Woman

I switched to Firefox and Thunderbird a few months ago, but kept going back into Netscape to read ngs because they seemed to load so slowly in Thunderbird (my pokey dial-up could have something to do with that!).

Then I looked in the TB FAQs and found a suggested change which seems to have helped. Try Tools, Account Settings, [news server name], Offline & Disk Space, Select newsgroups for offline use...put a check in the box beside each ng. I don't understand how this could help, but I really believe it did.

And here's another vote for MailWasher.

Doreen in Alabama

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Doreen

I've never used it, having been with Mozilla since about Netscape 3. I think OE as supplied leaves you vulnerable, but it can be set up to be relatively secure.

Thunderbird is set to get much better once version 1.5 gets out of Beta.

What you have done is tell Thunderbird to download the messages and store them on your local hard disk. Having done this, you only need to be online while the download takes place (indicated in the status bar), then you can disconnect from your ISP and read the messages at your leisure, without incurring phone charges.

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Alan Dicey

Thanks, that's what I assumed the process does. But I read ng messages while still online, and they do load faster than before. I guess what's happening is that while I read the first one, the others are being downloaded and therefore are ready and waiting for me. However it works, I like it.

And as I think about it, the tip may have come from the TB users' forum, not the FAQs. Memory isn't what it used to be. :)

Doreen in Alabama

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Doreen

All I *really* know about Mozilla is that a technophobic old lady of my acquaintance said that her geek son said that Mozilla 1.0.1 would be perfect for her -- I tried it, it works, I've never changed. (Last time I went to the website, Mozilla was still available, but they have stopped "maintaining" [changing] it.)

I disabled the newsreader and the mailer when installing Mozilla, because I was perfectly happy with Agent and Eudora. (I run Eudora 2.1.2, which couldn't activate a virus if you told it to. I understand that current versions of Eudora have corrected that "flaw".)

It is my understanding that experts weren't at all happy about a browser, reader, and mailer being all mushed together the way they are in Mozilla, so Thunderbird and Firefox (and, presumably, one other flaming name) were written to separate them. (Could it be that all of them are named after Mozilla's breath?)

Thunderbird and Firefox are modular -- you download and install only the "extensions" that you actually use. This sounds like a *very* good plan for those that know what they are doing; me, I'd rather skip the occasional badly-written Web page and save my brainpower for sewing.

(Y'know, it really gets me when an advertisement appears in the form of a blank square marked "click here for plug-in"

-- they think I'm going to download and run mystery code in order to read an *ad*? What *have* these guys been smoking?) (It's what they *haven't* done, of course: they haven't learned even as much about HTML as I picked up from glancing at the introduction to a book, and rely on WYSIWY[sometimes]G programs to pass themselves off as "Web designers".)

Joy Beeson

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joy beeson

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