I am doing a dressmaking course

Was the course actualy called "dressmaking", or perhaps introcution to sewing 101?l

"This society???" This is Usenet, you're talking to the entire world, and there are many places where men wear sarongs, salwar kameez, tunics, Furwah, robes, kimonas, Dishadashas

Tell that to the thousands of men who wear kilts!

Bev, I strongly suspect you've been trolled

Oops, hit send prematurely, I was going to go on say:

You may have misunderstood the source of their amusement. Perhaps you had toilet paper stuck to your shoe.... Sometimes it's not "all about you".

Get a grip, do you really think women have not suffered that kind of discrimination for *centuries*??? We just shrug it off, figuring the guys haven't yet grown a pair.

Or, you could invest in a couple of good books:

are, no doubt, similar versions in Ireland. Beverly

It's a VERY good option, if you can get over them being silly. Their stupidity is their problem, not yours. DO NOT let them put you off. I teach quite a few boys to sew in school, and my son recently made his own jeans. You can see his exploits here: > file:///F:/Data/Website/KatePages/Sewing_Projects/Boy%20stuuf/Jeans/jeans_for_james.htm

If a (now!) 13 YO boy can make his own jeans, I see no reason why a bunch of silly and bad mannered sheep should put you off! His grandfather also used to make his own trousers... :)

We will encourage you all the way, just as we do all the other fellas who drop in for help.

Ask away and we'll answer as best we may. You may well get several different ideas to try, or a consensus on the best course of action, so you can explore and experiment and see what works for you.

I agree. I took wood shop and auto shop as an adult in the 1970s and nobody laughed at me. In fact, after the class ended, the auto shop teacher started up a class for women since apparently I convinced him that women could do as well as men under the hood, so to speak. ;-) His class for women was to overcome any uncertainties by women about signing up.

Next post from this guy will probably be about his difficulties in housing his "equipment" in modern trousers, or some such nonsense. ;-)

Are you under the (mistaken) impression that the fellows in Scotland and the U.S.A. who wear kilts are in "eastern countries"?

So long, troll.

Beverly

That was also my first thought, but I thought I'd steer him toward some good books, just in case he was seriously trying to find information.

I was raised by a man who operated several gasoline station/repair shops, and I grew up pumping gas, checking and adding oil, airing and changing tires, lubing undercarriages, etc.....

I weep for the poor fellow who is so cowed by a few women who "laughhed[sic]" at him for taking a sewing class that he was driven to whinge here.. But considering s/h/it is posting through googlegroups, and thinks "here" is somewhere in the British Isles....

Beverly

singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.comhttp://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/ Well , I think someone with a large waist buys trousers seethey end up being relatively loose and someone with a thin waist buystrousers and they are a bit tight and its ok standing upright , butsit down and the trousers become tighter , now I have a thin waist andI do not like tight , maybe some people do but probably noteveryone . Anyway have a nice day.

Kate,

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file:///F:/Data/Website/KatePages/Sewing_Projects/Boy%20stuuf/Jeans/jeans_for_james.htm

Well there has been a case in my country where an employer was very successfully sued by a male employee because the employer told the male employee not to wear a Caftan. This was in the 1970s ans I remember the case well.

Just such a thing happened to me not too long ago (in fact now I think of it, it'll be 2 years in Feb 2008). I didn't give a rat's posterior about the laughter as I'd been on better woodworking courses earlier on and enjoyed the toing and froing of insults between genders.

you see Im doing this

Yep, so just laugh back or with them (and ask when they are going to send their own men in to learn on the basis that you think that only real men aren't afraid to face up to women in a group). I don't think that there would be many tailoring courses that would teach you how to do trousers. Most trouser techniques are applicable to both genders whereas it is only in Jackets that there is the any difference between sewing for men as opposed to women.

He did specify "here in western countries". I don't see many men wearing anything but trousers except for a bit of Highland dress now and then on special ocassions.

Sadly, only in "Hamish Macbeth". I wish that series would be repeated, Sigh.

I wouldn't be too quick to reach that conclusion as to do so would be worryingly close in my mind to the equvalence of his class laughing at him. Wait and watch would be a better approach at this stage. So far the points he has made are quite valid (even the comment about "the influence of borgeoise industrialists in the nineteenth century" is rooted in history even though he got the century and who he should blame wrong. It was a specific policy to stop the wearing of anything but trousers).

Durr... Musta hit the wrong copy of the website!

Here we go:

Hm...

You see a LOT of different dress here in the UK. In some areas, blokes in trousers are in the minority.

Back in the late 1940's when my mum was working in London, they had a Horrible Heatwave, and one of the blokes in the office came in in his traditional African robes. All the other blokes voiced heated envy that they could not wear the same thing as on them it wouldn't count as traditional national dress, and the Civil Service would have had a severe collective apoplexy at the very idea.

Nope, nope, nope!! Remember the gun show I went to with my hubby a while back?? There was a guy there, working one of the booths, wearing a Utli-Kilt!! I even stopped and talked to him about it. ;) Told him we here on the sewing boards have admired the design of those kilts for years.

For those who haven't see them

Oh, and for thosewho have seen them, go to the site anyway. They are having a mockcommercial contest. Customers are filming and sending them mockcommercials. Some of them are Hilarious!!!Sharon

"FarmI" wrote in news:472ebc0c$0$23967$ snipped-for-privacy@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net .au:

actually, kilts & utilikilts are becoming fairly popular in the US (in certain regions anyway). i see lots of men in kilts (which really is better than men in dresses...) lee

For a simple unisex summer garment for around the house and decent enough to answer the door in and a snap to make, check out the Lungi. Women will want to wear a top with it, however.

In India, Pakistan and Bangladesh they are worn outside the home as well, but they'll only work for me in the US as far as getting the mail from my mailbox across the street since I'm too chicken to wear it to WalMart. Maybe in a couple of years when I'm a full-fledged codger....

I've had two hand-loomed plaid cotton Lungis a friend brought me from India over 40 years ago. At any one time, more men are in Lungis than there are people in the US, it is said. JPBill

I must have missed the original post from Alexander. I assume that he was the rose among thorns. As a professor, I can assure you, Alexander, that the few men in my classes were treasured by the other students. Most had a flair, just had never had the opportunity to learn, and the other students learned things from the men as they learned the skills needed to put their creativity into reality.

I also had adults who were making career changes--nurses, architects, engineers, frustrated office workers. One of my most interesting students was an 81-year old grandmother who had sewn all her life, but never taken formal classes. We learned from each other, and she was the hit of our fashion show that year.

Teri