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As usual there are many exceptions to that rule. I own 3 Singers that ARE full industrial machines and were sold in a carrying case exactly like the wooden domed cases. I also have a Sailrite and a carpet sewing machine both in carrying cases, but the rest is true. Collectors try to discourage the carrying case rule because many many tailors and other trades people did carry and use an industrial machine for working in clients homes etc. Probably the best bet rather than doing an exhaustive Internet search and a great time saver is to go to the Machine specific group, they all have them, on Yahoo and ask questions, we love questions. Keeps us on topic.......

Best eyelet machine I have ever used is the attachment that came with my Pfaff 7570 embroidery machine. Its quick and simple, better than the factory one I used to have to use. Just finished up some sheets and pillow cases for the granddaughter as she graduates to a toddler bed. Used stitch 201 from the 7570 on a Janome 300e for the edges. They turned out so nice an 'girly' something I never had a chance to do with 2 boys.....gggggg

To see some true industrials look here.

Here is the good guide to buying machines, this person is very trustworthy as might be noted by the number of people who have found the guide helpful is the "other" guy......I call him sleazy for misrepresentinghimself, and his machines.....you be the judge. I have been at this for 40 years and still have much to learn........

Not yet! I'll look them up... Thanks! :)

Thanks for the correction: I've never seen any true industrials in cases as they are usually far too heavy for that sort of porting. And I always had the impression that the Sailright was a semi, rather than a full industrial factory machine.

> this is the "other" guy......I call him sleazy for misrepresenting> himself, and his machines.....you be the judge. >

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I've not collected for anything like that long, and still (luckily) have much to learn. I have neither the space nor the floors for a true industrial, but I'm seriously considering the acquisition of a Bernina

1008 at some point... :)

Hmm.. I recently purchased a lot of Gutermann thread at JoAnns when it was on sale, and I just checked it, and it is very clearly marked on the spools, Germany.

(I love Gutermann thread).

me

On Mon, 08 May 2006 23:32:37 +0100, Kate Dicey Thanks for the correction: I've never seen any true industrials in cases

Size wise it is a smaller machine, but does pack a full industrial punch. I have it in a table right now hooked to a 12 hp motor, BUT I took it to the school two weeks ago to hem the black out fireproof stage curtains that were to voluminous to bring home. Actually we did not even take them down, just put the machine on a table near the edge of the stage and ran them up. This was really heavy black out stuff with that awful rubbery fire proof coating, and the SailRite walked though all layers.

Have you looked at

Not sure what you are paying currently. For Guterman embroidery thread, from my latest catalog, they have it $3.60 each for a 1094 yard spool of size 40 embroidery thread. If you buy 10 or more spools they are $3.45 each.

Regular Guterman sewing thread on 1100 yd. tubes is as follows:

1-9 $2.95 ea. 10-29 $2.80 ea. 30-49 $2.66 ea. 50+ $2.49 ea.

I also buy from

They don't carry Guterman embroidery thread. They carry Mettler, Sulky and YLI.

NAYY. I've ordered from both places many times and always been happy with price, product and service.

Sharon

I've used Tire silk thread for applique, and love it! Some of my Tire spools also say Clover Needlecraft...I don't know if it's always been a Clover product, or recently acquired.

Doreen in Alabama

The eBay listings I referenced said "industrial strength"--- not "industrial" models. With all the TV ads for "industrial strength" everything in the US, no one in the States should have trouble confusing the two. The term is used liberally (unfortunately) to connote just about anything the seller wants to represent as good. Google the phrase and among the +9M hits you will find industrial strength jewelry, woodworking, blogs, tattoos, body piercings, healthcare management, clothing, paper towels, etc. "Industrial strength" obviously does not equal "industrial" model.

I'm not defending said ads. But I just don't understand how anyone with even a smidgeon of common sense would believe they were getting an industrial model machine.

Phae

Umm, love Earl Grey, but just discovered Twinings Afternoon Tea, and now it's my new favorite. Sharon

Yeah mine say "Germany" too but they're as fuzzy as flannel. Maybe JoAnns is buying Chinese knock-offs. A great deal of their fabric is made in China now and the quality really sucks.

Honestly, that seems unlikely. I doubt such a scam would last. Some of his ratings come from buying and he likely sells things other than sewing machines.

Do you have personal experience or a reliable report from someone you know to show that his machines are bad? It does seem like a scam but do you know for sure?

Forget the media; with few exceptions, they seem to have little interest in helping consumers. I suspect such activities make their sponsors unhappy--- especially all those pharmaceutical sponsors. Investigative reporting has been displaced by movie gossip and "infotainment".

Spread enough BS and people will believe what the see hear or read...remember all those non existent weapons of mass destruction?....... Most of these people see the $ signs and want something for nothing. One guy I wrote to and asked why he would pay $600.00 for a Singer

185J said he knew nothing about machine but wanted to repair his boat upholstery......Told him that very machine had sold the week before for $24.00. Never heard back from him. The 185J is a 3/4 sized green Singer machine. Heavy weight but NOT Industrial strength. Cute but very very domestic.

The machines from all these sellers are not BAD, just not as advertised. They are NOT industrial strength......they are ordinary household machines. And yes we have proof-----it is in every picture that is posted on each and every auction they put up. Most of the sellers do not bother to change samples, and you can see the other auction labels on the place holders for the pictures. All of these guys are doing the same thing. They try to make it look like the machine in question is sewing the sample, but check where the threads are. And yes we know for sure it is a scam because you can track what they buy and what they sell. Some times the turn around is less than a week, hardly even time to clean the darn things up. They do a quick coat of sewing machine oil to put a 'shine' on the machine and re list as "Industrial Strength" and sell for hundreds of dollars profit. Its a wonder they even bother to unpack them.

Sometimes, "mindless telly" is the very best analgesic! Or sleeping potion, take your pick. ;-)

Beverly

OK, let me chime in with my pet peeve. ;-) "Featherweight" sewing irons! These are usually GE travel irons, clearly shown, often with the box, and of course, nowhere does it say Singer or Featherweight. But these irons go for huge prices while the honest seller listing a GE travel iron gets a couple of bucks.

The same thing is done with boxes of Singer low-shank attachments. You'd think that all those 15s, 99s, 66s, etc., never had an attachment, because all the little green boxes are listed as "Featherweight" attachments. For pity's sake - they're identical!!! The Singer 221 takes exactly the same feet as the 15s, 99s, 66s, 185s etc.

Try their Afternoon earl Grey! :)

Another occasional favourite is Rose Pouchong... heady and very rosy - just right for an afternoon of experimental and relaxing sewing! :)

Mindless telly, a mug of hot chocolate, and a couple of cats and me - all snuggled up in a pile of quilts on the sofa! And then the washer leaked... No rest for the wicked!

But a lot of people do. Just check comparable sewing machines on eBay, 'regular' listings vrs ones who plaster the word 'industrial strength' all over the ad.

But ther is a BIG difference when referring to machinery. I.e. machines made for home use vrs those made for 8-hour-a-day sewing through leather. Real industrials have motors not attached to the machine body, a resovoir for oil that is constantly flowing through the motor (to keep it cool) and high HP motors, and are very high speed...all are dangerous if not used properly!

Again, they do. A Singer 185 is one of the most common 3/4 size vintage straight sttichers out there. I have two. when Mr. 'industrial strength' seller sold one with all his hype recently, went for over $450 - and it wasn't in a case...this is a machine that needs to sit in a case or in a cabinet in order to be used and the seller made no mention of that fact at all. =20

I suppose you can say buyer beware but....

-Irene=20

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Exactly. Somone's finally posted a blurb on what to look for regarding this in the eBay reviews:

...and here's a laughable reply by one of those dubious sellers.....

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