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I have a 1970 sears kenmore 1701, its a beautiful machine & sews
wonderfully.  I just received it recently off freecycle to teach my
oldest to sew.

Here is the problem:

the manual states only use kenmore needles (obviously from that era).
There is a diagram in the manual that shows the exact length the
needle has to be.  I have one that came with it in a sears needle
package.  I cannot find anymore of these.  My sewing machine repair
guys that I go to for tune ups etc are adamant that it will use
standard size needles.  I told them I tried that and the bobbin thread
would not pick up, so they then said my timing is off & to bring it in
for service.  The only problem with that is when I put in the actual
"sears" needle it worked perfect.  There is only about 3mm difference
in length, but it makes the difference.  I am not a newbie to sewing,
I made sure it was up in there all the way, flat side to the back, not
bent etc...

Does anyone have any comments, advice?  Or does anyone know where to
buy these shorter needles?  I will try using a standard needle one
more time but if they didn't work the last five times I doubt I will
be doing anything productive.

thanks so much everyone!  This is a great machine, according to the
sears archive it is a white machine with the kenmore brand on it.

Michelle Giordano

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Oh shoot! Sorry everyone, here I am replying to my own post. I should
have said this first....

!!! Hello!  I am back after about 2 or 3 years of not being able to
read the group!  I missed it so much.  It looks like some of the girls
& guys I used to post with are still around, and alot of new-to-me
people too!  I used to post under the name dnmgiordano I think, I
can't even remember my old username!

Michelle Giordano


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...Yes I remembe you Michelle, welcome back!!

-Irene

 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:01:37 -0700 (PDT), Michelle Giordano

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Hi Michelle, do you have a Sears store close by to get you kenmore needles?
Welcome back!!
Barbara in SC



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Bobbie Sews More wrote:
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Michelle, so good to have you back. As soon as I saw you name I said to
myself .Michelle with the 3 little girls, lots of sewing skills and a
job with an insurance company.Oh and you live in  Saskatchewan


Hope you stay around for awhile.
Juno

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Oh my gosh!  Barbara & Juno!  I can't believe you guys remember me (I
don't know why I don't believe it LOL because I remember both of you!)

Yes Juno, that is me! Three cute girls, MAD sewing skills!!! (upgraded
myself there LOL - ok maybe not so great, but hey, I have to walk the
walk right?) and I still do work in insurance, but I took a position
with an insurer, so now I am underwriting, not selling.  I prefer it
much better. And we have a new addition to our family..... No not a
human baby, sorry.  A pretty little blue point siamese or burmese
cross female.  The father was the siamese or burmese, or perhaps
ragdoll considering she is very bendy and relaxed most of the time...
the people we got her from didn't know what the father was.  She is
about 15 weeks old now & we just love her!  We call her Tinky. But I
think that is enough bragging for a cat...

I do have a sears in town, not too far from where I work.  I am going
to call there and see if they have someone in their sewing machine
department who knows anything about sewing machines at all.  Our city
is majorly short staffed everywhere.

In other news I have to announce the untimely demise of my 1977 Singer
due to a sewer back-up.  This Kenmore is the replacement.

Michelle Giordano


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Welcome back, Michelle!
I had a couple Kenmore machines in the 80s-90s,and never had problems
getting needles from Sears.
In El Paso, TX, where I lived for years, I went to the repair store to buy
the needles, but the store in the mall also had them.
  
My DS inherited a Kenmore when his aunt passed away last year.  I don't know
how old it is, but it had a couple Kenmore Q-needles with it, that I've been
using while playing around with it since DS got a manual, it was lost.
DS says he will look at the mall soon, and if Sears has them, I'll post the
info on here.
Emily(in Houston awaiting IKE)


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Oh, dear!!!  Another one so soon!  Stay safe.  Are you going
to have to evacuate?

Beverly



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On 9/11/08 1:40 AM, in article o5Gdnc9zeLHyIFXVnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com,

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After the mess of traffic 3 years ago with Rita, when thousands decided to
evacuate at once, the counties have set up a plan for evacuation, according
to zip codes, beginning with water-front properties and moving westward.
Since our home is about 70-75 miles west of Galveston, we are not in any
evacuation zone as of yet.
DS is on his way home from his work out of town and when he gets home, we'll
decide if we'll leave early in the morning or not.  When Gustaf was coming
toward us, we planned to leave, but also stocked up on bottled water,
non-perishable foods, batteries, charcoal for the grill, propane for the
Coleman stove, etc. and all of it is here.
I will post as often as possible; everything will be past in a few days.
Emily


  


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Good luck!  It appears yet another one is forming out in the
Atlantic.

Beverly



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First off: (((( Barbara ))))

Secondly: Thanks everyone!  What a wealth of knowledge on the
subject.  I will definitley try cleaning out the needle holder ( whats
the name?) and see what happens.  I have some Singer needles around
here too, but I do prefer schmetz & klasse.

Thanks Everyone!

Michelle Giordano
*who has re-written this four times already because the cat kept
swatting me*
**who is totally into desingning purses now**

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Oh my gosh!  Barbara & Juno!  I can't believe you guys remember me (I
don't know why I don't believe it LOL because I remember both of you!)

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think that is enough bragging for a cat...

A cat can never have enough bragging!

Mary




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Ha!  I didn't remember the name of the Schmetz needles, but that is what I
sometime use in my Kenmore, Singer, and Pfaff!  Boy oh boy, is my memory
fading!  But I have a lot on my mind with my BIL being in the hospital in
Cardiac intensive care.  And my sister is in bad health, And a cousin
passed away and will be burried tomorrow.            Gotta have an excuse!
Barbara in SC



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Have some ((((((BarbaraHugs))))))  Sounds like you need them.

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Kate  XXXXXX  R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
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Thanks Kate.

Barbara in SC, stopping to take a break from life for a few minutes.



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Dear Barbara,
My thoughts and prayers go out to you. You are very wise to take  the
life break for awhile. It helps .
Love and Hugs,
Juno

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OMG, Kate!  My last name is Hug and my daughter-in-law's name is Barbara
Hug!!!

BTW. my Comcast account decided to drop newsgroups until last week so I've
been stuck with Google for reading posts, but it's so nice to finally be
able to respond again.

Liz



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Prayers for your BIL & DS; am sorry to hear of your cousin's passing.
Just take a sewing break and make something fun for yourself, to give your
mind a break.
Emily


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Every manual from that era, for brands that sold machines as WELL as
needles (Singer, Kenmore, etc) will state that very same thing - you
MUST use their brand of needle!  It's baloney.  They did that to
increase sales of their own brand of needles.  

I have several 1970s era Kenmores and they are super machines!  And
they use universal needles....I like Schmetz and they just fine with
Schmetz Universal size needles, 15x1.

Kenmore needles back in the 70s were made by another comapny (I think
it was Organ) and today they're made by whomever has the lowest bid :)

If it possible the other needles you have aren't the standard
universal size?  There may be some debris built up in the little
channel the needle sits in.  Remove the needle, and use a old dental
pick or similar instrument to see if there's stuff in there 'skewing'
the way the needle sits.  Alchohol on a qtip will help loosen it up
for removal.

Congratulations on keeping a great old machine out of the dumpster and
returning it to useful service!  They do not build 'em like that
anymore!

-Irene

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:57:37 -0700 (PDT), Michelle Giordano

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AGH I had some major blonde moments there.  I didn't bother to bring
out my existing stock of needles.  The needle in the "sears" needle
case is a standard size.  the needle that was in the machine is a
tailor-form, and that is what I thought was standard size until I
looked closer.  The tailorforms I have came with this new-to-me
kenmore & I didn't know about this brand.  These are about 3mm or so
longer!!!!  They are longer at the top of the needle.

Geesh! No wonder it didn't work for me with those needles.  I think I
am going to keep them to remind myself never to assume.  The size is
so close, and there are so many brands out there.

Whats even better is a girlfriend from work brought me her old kenmore
to play with over the weekend.  She just got married and wanted to get
a sewing machine just to have around for hemming etc.  She was going
to buy a brand new one and I mentioned I would take an older one any
day.  She said she had one that used to be her grandmother's but
didn't know how to use it.  I told her bring it to me, I will oil it
and make sure the timing is correct (if not she will have to have it
serviced).  Now I can test it with needles LOL.  It is such a cute
little machine.  Its a model 385 if I remember correctly and it looks
late 70's to mid 80's.  It comes with the most adorable fabric travel
case.  I can't wait to try it out.

Michelle Giordano


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