OT: Checking in - Hello did you all miss me!!!

Bill, We all have concerns about the way children are growing up in this world. Michelle is one of them. I think that if you have any recall of some of her previous posts, you will remember, her husband was very anxious for her to earn money. He never came across as someone who wanted to be put out or put upon while she was working.He wanted her to earn money and he wanted her at his beck and call. He can't have it both ways She has worked hard as a mother. She has given her children a lot and she has also worked hard to get past holding a job that will pay her minimum wage.

She is proud of what she has accomplished and should be.I'm inclined to believe that there is an ego issue going on with him at this point. She has a full time position that holds possibility for advancement for her and possibly a higher salary in the future, than he can hope for.

I remember many posts from her where she put herself down and I chided her for it.I see her now as a person who recognizes her worth in many areas of her life.

Now on to Donna Shalala. She is obviously well educated, extremely bright and from the look of her credentials worked her entire adult life. Is she married? I don't know. Does she have children? again I don't know. I will say though that until I know what her family situation is I would take a very large grain of salt with her advice as the only gospel. I also say again until we walk in Michelle's shoes or any other mother who works out of the home, don't even think to pass any kind of judgment. Juno

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Juno
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Amen, sister!

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Pogonip

Exactly! Amen to that.

-Irene

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--Mae West=20

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IMS

Even this is a judgment.

I think we should all not post anything of this kind.

This is a sewing newsgroup, or am I in the wrong place?

AK in PA

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AK&DStrohl

You are so right, Juno! . Emily

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CypSew

It'a ok JP. I understand your position. She is adjusting very well now and friday morning she only "fake cried" (if you have kids you know what I mean). I take it from your name you are male right? Please in the future become a woman before you tell women what to do with their lives. My husband has also noticed that I am much happier, when I was cooped up at home and only working in the evenings (for the same company I am with now) I was very depressed. Now I feel like I contribute something and it makes me happy. A happy mom makes a happy family, or at least helps alot with the emotional wellness of the family. Trust me I know this as I have been on both sides of the spectrum.

P.S. I take no offense to what you wrote, it is your own opinion and you are completley free to say what you feel. Thanks for expressing yourself eloquently and non-abusiveley, I do appreciate that very much.

Yours Truly,

Michelle Giordano

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Doug&Michelle

Juno, Thank You.

You have an amazing memory and a terrific heart.

Michelle

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Doug&Michelle

HAHA unconscioius ploy.... nah he is just overworked and was trying to multitask a bit toomuch.

Nice to hear from you!

Michelle

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Doug&Michelle

Thanks for the kind and understanding words. Contrary to what some have chimed in about my post(s), I am not judgemental on your choices at all, and I'm glad you take no offense. I don't initiate any non-sewing discussions, but will respond to my hot-button issues.

I'm happy also that your little one is adapting to her surroundings.

With advances in technology, I'm hoping that more firms will find ways and the confidence to allow workers to stay home with their babies and toddlers with their computers to work if they wish and if their jobs allow it, and let them go back to work on site (with no penalty to their career path) when the kids start school later.

(J)ust (P)lain Bill

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W.Boyce

You are right, of course, but this group is more like a kaffee klatsch with sewing as a point of departure.

Following Pareto's law, 20% of the members "contribute" 80% of the posts. Those are the 20% who are anointed by the others in their group and have something to say on every topic. Their rules are: everything is allowed here except: A) Something they deem an advert, or B) A perceived "attack" on one of the anointed ones.

It is indeed laughable and ironic that someone always invokes "The Charter" when they sniff out an ad, like there is actually some order amid the chaos here.

Curiously this makes the sewing group "troll proof", if you take the purpose of trolling to take the discussion off on a tangent from the group's purpose. We're already there, in other words. Yogi said it best: "If you don't know where you're going, you'll probably wind up someplace else"

But I hang here anyway, for the sewing nuggets which fall out, and for the years of expertise in the group and their willingness to share and their gracious patience to others, for which I thank them, one and all. I also contribute to sewing matters when I actually have something to offer, which is infrequent.

But being human, I don't always have enough discipline to withhold comment on my non-sewing hot-button issues which appear. Thankfully, they are few. Some will echo that sentiment, I'm sure.

JPBill

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W.Boyce

I am sorry you were flamed in the past, Tahirih. Glad you didn't leave. I guess I must have had enough of J.P.Bill's condemnation, because I don't see any of his/her (whatever) posts any more. Must have kill filed them. I do agree with you and believe one has to be on very intimate terms with another individual to even suggest the kind of advice (opinion?) that was given. Sharon

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Seeker

Michelle, you are very welcome. I understand the difficulty of raising small children having had 4 myself. I also understand that depression is not unusual in the stay at home parent. I saw a distant male relative become so depressed taking care of small children that he frequently wonder if he would be able to last until the sun rose the next morning. You have a kind heart yourself. You are a very understanding person. We all have hot buttons and JPB seems to have found mine as I have found his. It's to bad and I promise to try not to let him push mine.I hope I stop pushing his. I don't want him to go away,I just want him to know that underneath all we are all human and sometimes rub people the wrong way. Great success in your new career and continued success in your ongoing one of mom. I know your children are always first in your priorities. That's why you are so good at all you do. Juno

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Juno

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tahirih luvs 2 sew

I do agree with you and believe one has to be

Now this is negative gossip. Has no place anywhere.

I detest this type of behavior. Keep it to yourself.

AK in PA

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AK&DStrohl

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cea

Juno, we have the same 'hot buttons' because he sure 'pushed mine' with the comments :)

I don't want people here to go away, either; just want them to be more tolerant of others and not be so quick to judge. =20

-Irene=20

-------------- You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.=20

--Mae West=20

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IMS

I was just telling someone about how we come together here, from various corners of the world, and talk about what concerns us, how we deal with sewing situations and sometimes other situations, person-to-person without intermediaries. I consider most of the people here to be my "friends" -- we would never be able to recognize each other on the street, but we have had a meeting of minds, and while we may disagree, even passionately, about some issues, we are also bound together without regard to superficial differences, national boundaries, or other trivia that gets in the way in "real life."

So, I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it! ;-)

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Pogonip

Ahh, Michelle, it's always interesting to hear about you, your family & your projects.

Congrats on the change to a full-time position. Is it SGI that you are with?

Poor hubby - I'm sure you gave him tons of sympathy on his "boo-boo". Hope he's up on his tetanus shot!

Sheila in Calgary

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Sheila Heinrich

Dear Irene and Joanne, I would love not to have discussions that grow to uncomfortable levels at times I also feel that everyone of us has to right and the duty to speak his/her mind.I love this group, love the tangents we frequently go off on. It is probably the best example I know of what free speech is really about. I also know that I have very strong opinions and have a way of antagonizing some people who don't see my point of view. That is what free speech is. I'm trying to extend a hand of peace and say I'll try to state me opinions with out getting personal.If however I disagree with anyone here I'll continue to press my point in what I hope is a more reasonable tone. Juno

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Juno

Sounds OK to me! I sometimes 'fall of the wagon' and get personal or pushy...which often happens when I'm stressed :)

-Irene

-------------- You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.=20

--Mae West=20

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IMS

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