Pattern

How about something like this:

used to do one, but I cannot find it on their site... I find the site very slow to use, but here you are:

they haven't got any patterns, too, but I find them very interesting. It seems that the Swiss bodice is not really a bodice at all. Nothing to show off you figure, more like to hide it. However, if you mail the guys at the first link, perhaps they'll be able to send you a pattern. That is, if it's not an urgent case with you. ;-) Good luck with you hunt,

U. (from Germany but with Swiss relatives[! ;-)])

Have you poked around in the "ethnic" links from

?There are a number of pointers to German and Austrian trachten, but Swiss seems a bit thin on the ground. You might also try some of the US-Swiss associations like: can also be helpful at times...it's often easy to fake national costume once you've gotten some good photos from severaldirections.

Liz

this is the one I think Kate is referring to:

also have a more sexy version in the carnaval section (hidden undercarnaval classics - it's a German company after all LOL) a more modest version I suspect that this pattern would go a long way inthe right direction if you use a different blouse underneath.http://www.burdamode.com/History_%26_Fantasy,1000003-1275114-1128999-1129006-1129019-1004052,enEN.htmlhowever looking at real photo's of trachten I see that they are really highnecked sleeveless button up tops worn with a skirt and a blouse underneath -I'm not sure any "normal" dirndl would even remotely suit what you areseeking :-S

No... The ones I remember were much more traditional and folkish.

> however looking at real photo's of trachten I see that they are really high> necked sleeveless button up tops worn with a skirt and a blouse underneath -> I'm not sure any "normal" dirndl would even remotely suit what you are > seeking :-S> Yup, the ones they used to have were more like these: these:

These are the results of the labor:

is a start. The breasts aren't sticking out or pushed up to the moon. But I'm not sure of the princess seaming. you see the made up costumes they look better than the artists' rendering.Again I'm not sure darts were used circa 100-200+ years ago.I'll have to read up on altering out both of the above . page had a reference to home sewing but it's apparant you have to go there to get the fabric and it seems you have to know how to make up a pattern from pictures. But I'll ask them any way.

like the ones on the left top, second and last.http://www.mabi.de/org/uvtm/bilder/bild5.jpgThe one on the left is good. at this again and looking past the gaudy material this has a possiblity of working but I'd still have to raise the Meider ("vest") neckline a few inches. And a working front opening skip the zipper in the rear.

The Tostmann site has a page on the 'home sewing' link and there is an picture there of one up to the neck. But that 'home sewing' is a *slight* misnomer.

There was another site refered to dealing directly with Swiss costumes. From the little I made out this could be a good site but I'll have to get my german translation program running.

Thanks for your help, AK in PA

Now I really have to tackle those dishes.

Generally not, the earlier you go. Before 1800 or so, bodices were made with a centre front or back opening and what looks like a princess seam in the back, but it was generally straight rather than curved. There were no side seams. The breasts were supported by a corset under the bodice. The curved princess seam and darts came in after 1800. So, the earlier you go, the fewer darts and seams you get. The wasp waist of the Victorian era is also largely a myth, if you look at extant clothing rather than corset ad pix! It only came in when waists dropped back to the natural waistline from the higher Regency era, in the late 1820's.

------------------------------------- Did anyone ever send you to Folkwear. I found this

which is a dirndl.

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