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Re: Poncho Pattern instructions; Wild Things software
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:51:52 GMT, Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to

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Guess you can't see that she's just not willing to take any more of
the beating you've given her. I thought the major function of this
group was to support other stitchers, but it looks like it's more
important to be right. Does the adage of winning the battle but losing
the war apply in any way here?

It reminds me of when I was first learning coding and the use of
desktop computers. The teachers have a hard job of getting back to
zero to see where their students are coming from, nor can they resist
beating the student up when their teaching isn't getting across. It
takes a special mindset to write technical manuals, and to work in
customer support. Above all, it requires active listening.
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Re: Poncho Pattern instructions; Wild Things software
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And that's not what I said, Beth. I said you wrote "as if" you felt this way,
not that you actually said that.

I honestly don't know why this has gotten so blown out of proportion.

Each to her own.

Karen Maslowski in Cincinnati


Sewing without instructions. was Poncho Pattern instructions; Wild Things software
There are many levels of sewing.  You can be a competant sewist if you follow a
pattern instruction sheet.  I don't feel that anyone will be a truely great
seamstress unless they can learn to trust their ability and not use the
directions.

 For some it is hard to learn to think many steps ahead which is what you need
to do to sew without instructions.  You need to be able to see that if I do
this, when I get to that, something else will happen.   This is part of the
process that is needed to create something.  

Can you throw out your instructions tomorrow?  Probably not, but the first step
is to try to figure out what would come next without reading about it. Then
check the instructions.   There are some things that don't matter what order
they are done in so even if the pattern doesn't say what you thought of is next
you still could be right.  

Another way to learn to sew without instructions is to make the same thing
again or even three times. That third time I bet you don't even need to look at
all.  

Eventually when you get a new pattern you can glance at the pictures to check
if there is something goofy in the sewing or not.  After awhile you don't even
need the pictures.  That is the best level to strive for.  It frees you to try
new stuff, or to make changes and let the creativity flow.

I made the jump from following a pattern to no instructions in high school. ( I
sewed alot)  I still remember doing this by having a set of instructions and
deciding that there was a better way to do something. So I changed that part
then figured out the next part and when I got done, I had realized that I
didn't use the rest of the instructions sheet.  It was so freeing.

Sandy Erickson  

Re: Sewing without instructions. was Poncho Pattern instructions; Wild Things software
Corasande wrote:
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One of the things they make you do on one of the courses I looked into
was to make a garment from the pattern WITHOUT the instructions.  I tend
to look at them to see why they want me to do something a particular
way, but do it another way if it is better for the pattern/fabric/cut of
the garment (viz the lilac bias cut bridesmaid dresses!)
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I have a bunch of patterns for which there are no instructions, usually
patterns I made myself...  I wouldn't expect anyone that was a less
experienced garment maker than myself to use them without instructions.
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Another thing to remember is that the instructions CAN be wrong!
Sometime it just takes common sense to see this and correct it, but
sometimes it takes experience - again, like the bridesmaid dresses.  On
the other hand, there are some things for which following a good set of
instructions is a very good idea: I have an Elizabethan court dress
pattern with something like 80 A4 pages of detailed instructions, and I
shall need them!

I had a pattern for some 18th C fall front breeches that was almost
useless: not only were the instructions incomprehensible, and the
diagrams so poor you couldn't tell how things should be done from them,
but there was no grain line and no pattern layout diagram from which to
guess the layout!  There was also an instruction that was just plain
wrong (you ended up with 8 layers of fabric somewhere daft!).  It took
several days of historical costume research to find out how the breeches
*should* be cut.  This would have been an extremely poor deal for
someone without my sewing experience, or knowledge of where to find the
information I needed, or how to interpret 18th C tailor's diagrams.
NEXT time I do it, this pattern will be easy, because I have found all
the gremlins and destroyed them!

If someone is SELLING a pattern you can expect a competent set of
instructions for the garments in the pattern, and the variations allowed
for by the designer: beyond that, you're on your own.  If something is
free, you get what you pay for!  Some are excellent, some take a bit of
decoding, and some are in chocolate teapot territory!

If you buy a CAD package, you can expect a competent set of instructions
on how to use the package: you can't expect a complete set of
instructions for every tiny detail of what you design with the package,
unless you write it yourself.
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Kate  XXXXXX
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Re: Sewing without instructions. was Poncho Pattern instructions; Wild Things software
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:41:53 +0000, Kate Dicey

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<snips before and after>

Has anyone else seen "beast darts" on a trilingual pattern?
LOL
Xena

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La Vida Xena wrote:
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So appropriate, though...
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Re: Sewing without instructions. was Poncho Pattern instructions; Wild Things software
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:05:59 +0000, Kate Dicey

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Yaaa...
I remembered that after discovering for this last pattern that I now need to
lower the breast darts a little bit to match them up the physical reality.  
*sob
On the other hand, without knowing how to do this I would no longer be able to
wear things with "beast darts."  So there, cruel world!

I told a friend that time is streamlining me from the top down.  We only THINK
aerodynamic has to do with front-to-back like cars, but REALLY in human terms
the single most continual directional force is GRAVITY.

Xena

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friend that time is streamlining me from the top down.  We only THINK
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terms

Oh goody, give me a few more years and I'll be a missile.......a couple more
mammograms and I'll have the darned side fins too!!

Val



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Valkyrie wrote:
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Send the mop!  Where was the coffee warning???
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Re: Sewing without instructions. was Poncho Pattern instructions; Wild Things software
Being male I have to ask this. Directions? What are directions? <G>
                             Mike in Wisconsin

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Re: Sewing without instructions. was Poncho Pattern instructions; Wild Things software

 > Being male I have to ask this. Directions? What are directions? <G>
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Re: Sewing without instructions. was Poncho Pattern instructions; Wild Things software
Sandy, I could do that in high school, too.  I graduated in 1949, and had
taken over DMs sewing clients in 1946 when she had a paralyzing stroke, but
too many "senior moments" prevent me from doing away with the instruction
sheet altogether now even if I've made at least 2 of the same thing.  I
often use the same pattern 5+times, especially a favorite Vogue skirt and
pants pattern I've had since the mid 80s.
Emily



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It is "complete", although, as for any pattern, you do need to have additional
resources to do the best job.

What do you want for... what exhorbitant cost was it? Oh, yeah, free.
Karen Maslowski in Cincinnati


Re: Poncho Pattern instructions; Wild Things software

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There aren't any.  The disclaimer at the beginning of the Instruction
Section says, and I quote: "Basic sewing instructions have been
provided.  These instructions are not illustrated, and assume a basic
knowledge of sewing knowledge for most of the projects.  Instructions
for preparing and attaching the pockets are not included.  _Please
consult a sewing text book for more in-depth explanations._"
(Emphasis theirs, not mine)


I'm not sure why you would need instructions for a poncho or a cape.  
A poncho is a square (more or less) of fabric with a head hole in the
middle.  Finish the edges however you prefer; finish the head hole
(either by binding or facing).  If you use fleece or a felted wool,
you don't even have to finish the edges.  A collared poncho is
slightly more involved, as you need to sew the collar into the head
hole.

Capes a very similar, although they're open down the front, and often
have hoods.

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If you really think you need instructions for making a poncho or a
cape, I would suggest either borrowing a book on basic sewing from the
library or hitting the pattern section at JoAnn's during a sale.
McCall's has a poncho pattern in their 'easy' line (#4207), and all of
the big three have poncho patterns in their regular lines.  Cape
patterns are are easy to find, as well.

Cape/cloak patterns online:
http://amtgard.com:8080/how2clok.pdf
http://www.pipcom.com/~tempus/sewing/clok.html

jenn
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Re: Wild Things software; Quality Control issues. WAS Poncho Pattern Instructions
Why are there instructions for some things and not for
others?  I can certainly attach a pocket (as well as make a
three-piece vested suit, make pants from no pattern, mark
off RTW to make patterns, etc., etc.,) but when there is a
perpendicular line to a side seam and no explanation of what
that line represents, including no notation given on the
pattern piece, there is some explanation called for.  If a
company is going to rate their Internet-distributed projects
"Easy", "Intermediate" and "Advanced" in an attempt to draw
those markets to it, they need to explain what those albeit
"unusual" details are, especially to the beginning sewist.
The company needs to be complete in the marketing of their
product; sewing book or no sewing book; disclaimer or no
disclaimer.

Another example is that the index lists a Wrap Vest, which
has no pattern or else it's labeled differently.  Could that
be the Tunic?

There is no yardage estimate given for the poncho, cape or
tunic, yet it's given for all the other items.

There are 31 items listed for patterns; 29 of those have
instructions and 1 of those 29 is possibly labeled.  The
facts speak for themselves.  This is the reason why I
haven't plunked down my hard-earned cash to buy Wild
Ginger's Pattern Master software, although I did buy a Click
and Sew and had nightmares getting the bugs worked out of
that, which weren't my responsibility.

Jenn, if you are a poster to this NG and not affiliated with
Wild Ginger, I sincerely apologize for my rant.  If you are
affiliated with Wild Ginger, well...you should know better.

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Re: Poncho Pattern instructions; Wild Things software

"Beth Pierce" > I have downloaded this software from Wild Ginger's website
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You have to remember this is pattern drafting software.  It is a tool to
design your patterns.  If you need complete instructions then you are better
off sticking to the patterns from the big companies.  But for those of us
who want the freedom to design and create unique things without limitations,
Wild Ginger fits the bill extremely well. Anyone who is at this design stage
should have a strong construction and technique background.

And as WildGinger states, they do not provide any support for WildThings.
Most of the things in WildThings were originally supplied in the programs
you purchase.  But for programs that you purchase from them they have the
best support from anyone I have ever seen (and I'm a software engineer so
I've dealt with hundreds). All you have to do is ask. And the user list is
extremely helpful for design questions and support.


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I thought about you and Wild Ginger today, as I got a Simplicity pattern ready
to use.
1.  Lengthen Sleeves
2.  High waistline alteration on back and front
3.  Lower breasts a smidge (can't just change it at the waistline because it's
shaped from breasts to hips)
4.  Re-do sleeves because the tape slipped
5.  Re-do front waistline because the cat who owns me got all nesting-playful
with my pattern paper when I was in the bathroom
6. Make note to get another copy of this pattern, because I forgot to trace it
off before cutting and this is one someone else is interested in, too.
7.  Make note to change front facing to match altered pattern, AFTER I put my
feet up and clear my head.
grrrrr
feels like it will go on forever and I have the feeling I forgot something
8.  Make mental note to double check hip width and back length- did I remember
to allow for having lowered the breasts in front? (see!  you and I both knew
there had to be something!)

Sooo, even though this is a pattern with the added convenience of theoretically
complete instructions... I'd rather figure out how to put together Wild Ginger
than go through all that cut-and-paste on each and every paper pattern.  Next
time I have the money, pattern software here I come.

Needing to figure out Wild Ginger assembly -- a nuisance
Freedom from innumerable "Simplicity" pattern tape-and-ruler alterations--
priceless

Xena

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Well said, Xena! LOL

Karen Maslowski in Cincinnati


Re: Poncho Pattern instructions; Wild Things software
<<<<<  Beth, clutching her Touch and Sew like a well-loved
teddy bear, retreats.  She realizes that she is different
and that there are many WG advocates on this NG.  She
certainly didn't mean to open up a can of worms by sharing
her frustration with quality control, but has decided she
will no longer approach this forum with any reference to
Wild Ginger.  She is thankful to learn that there are other
pattern drafting software programs out there, and clutching
the technical manuals she has written, she will peruse her
SureFit Designs Pattern Making kits (NAYY) to reaffirm her
belief of an excellent product. >>>>>


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(Beth=A0Pierce)
<<<<< Beth, clutching her Touch and Sew like a well-loved teddy bear,
retreats. She realizes that she is different and that there are many WG
advocates on this NG. She certainly didn't mean to open up a can of
worms by sharing her frustration with quality control, but has decided
she will no longer approach this forum with any reference to Wild
Ginger. She is thankful to learn that there are other pattern drafting
software programs out there, and clutching the technical manuals she has
written, she will peruse her SureFit Designs Pattern Making kits (NAYY)
to reaffirm her belief of an excellent product. >>>>>
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  NO, no--don't throw in the towel! Between the somewhat fustrated posts
from you, Beth, and the heated defense of Wild Ginger advocates, I am
slooooowly learning about these types of products. I feel like The
VIllage Idiot when the subject comes up, so I follow the thread avidly,
hoping to learn a bit more with each discussion. (No matter how warm the
atmosphere becomes.) Just remember to wear your inflammable skivvies!!
                              Cea


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