preshrinking silk satin

I finally received my iron in the mail yesterday. My husband is at home today and said that he would put a large hook in the ceiling so I can hang my water tank for the iron. I'm so excited!

Anyway, I googled old posts about preshrinking silk, but I have not seen anything that mentioned silk satin. Does this fabric require special handling? Also, most of the posts I've run across mentioned washing the silk fabric. Wouldn't this damage the satin? I had planned on preshrinking the fabric using a steam iron held about 1/2" above the fabric. This is how we would preshrink some fabrics in the costume shop when I was in college. It's tedious but seems to work. Should I just take this to the dry cleaner instead? It's 4 yards of

54" wide silk satin.

lisa

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karlisa
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Test first! Try a small piece and steam press form the back only.

Reply to
Kate Dicey

Probably not, unless it damages the fibers. Good silk satin is amazingly durable stuff. I wash mine all the time (bought as fabric, prewashed, used washable/prewashed notions), and I've got a couple of silk satin shirts that are 4-5 years old. (cheap silk satin, otoh, can be pretty junky.)

Washing silk usually makes it a little more fluid than it is unwashed (the silk gum is water soluble). Depending on the dyes used, washing silk may cause the colors to fade or shift a little. And the color may shift back as the fabric dries/cools.

Treat the fabric as you want to treat the finished item. If you want to be able to wash it, you'll want to wash the fabric. If you don't mind drycleaning the item, dry clean the fabric.

Dry cleaning is not inherently easier on fabric than putting it in the washer. It still gets tossed around in a drum and has liquids forced through it.

-- Jenn Ridley : snipped-for-privacy@chartermi.net

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Jenn Ridley

Dear Friends,

You can't imagine what terrible harm you're doing to your silk when you prewash it. The seracin (silk gum) gives silk its scroop (sound); washing it out doesn't make it fluid--it destroys some of the properties. In this modern time, washing any fabric before using it is unnecessary, unless you object to the smell. Only very cheap fabrics that have been woven from raw cotton and printed will shrink. Fabrics go through so many processes before they are put on the bolt that it's been through the equivalent of several washes.

In most cases, silk satin is not going to be made into a garment that will be washed after being worn--it will go to the dry cleaners.

If you're using home-dec fabrics, there is a possibility that some of the fibers will shrink, but not garment fabric.

Teri

Reply to
gjones2938

"Silk -- elegant, versatile and washable. In the past, owning a silk garment meant not only the initial price of the garment but also the cost of dry cleaning. All silk is washable. Silk is a natural protein fiber, like human hair, taken from the cocoon of the silkworm. The natural glue, sericin, secreted by silkworms and not totally removed during manufacturing of the silk, is a natural sizing which is brought out when washing in warm water. Most silk fabrics can be hand washed. Technically, silk does not shrink like other fibers. If the fabric is not tightly woven, washing a silk with tighten up the weave.... thus, lighter weights of silk (say a crepe de chine of 14 mm) can be improved by washing as it will tighten up the weave. A tightly woven silk will not "shrink" or will "shrink" a lot less. Silk garments, however, can shrink if the fabric has not been washed prior to garment construction. When washing silk, do not wring but roll in a towel. Silk dries quickly but should not be put in an automatic dryer unless the fabric is dried in an automatic dryer prior to garment construction. A good shampoo works well on silk. It will remove oil and revitalize your silk. Do not use an alkaline shampoo or one which contains ingredients such as wax, petroleum, or their derivatives, as these products will leave a residue on your silk and may cause "oil" spots. If static or clinging is a problem with your silks, a good hair conditioner (see above cautions) may be used in the rinse water.

Silk may yellow and fade with the use of a high iron setting. Press cloths and a steam iron are recommended. Silk is also weakened by sunlight and perspiration."

"Silk Fabric Care: Handwashing Silks

Handwashing silks the old fashioned waySome silks should be dry cleaned (notably Dupioni) but most can be handwashed, especially if you wash the fabric before sewing. Dry cleaning gets more expensive every day, and the smell of perc (the dry cleaning fluid) in our clothes is not our favorite fragrance. And worst of all, silk begins to look dingy and dull after just a few trips to the dry cleaners. Many silks look better and last longer when hand washed.

But beware, many inexpensive and poorly woven silks may fade, become stiff, change texture or lose their sheen when hand washed. Try a test piece in a series of launderings before spending a lot of time and effort in any project.

Exceptions Silk Noil MAY shrink noticeably in handwashing (how much depends on the weave), and should absolutely be pre-shrunk before being sewn up to minimize shrinkage in the final garment. Silk Noil may be machine dried, but this will increase shrinkage and should definitely be done before being cut and sewn.

Silk Dupioni can be handwashed, and launders beautifully; however, it changes the texture and sheen of the fabric. Hand wash a small scrap or swatch and check to see if you like the way it looks. We wash all our dupioni that is custom dyed, and it has a much softer texture, very different than the crisp finish it has off the bolt.

Warning! When hand washing a ready-to-wear silk garment, make a wash test on an inconspicuous part of the garment, the inside back of a hem, for example. Nothing in this document should be considered a recommendation or guarantee of success.

Here's how it has worked for us; Pre shrinking Silk Crepe, Noil, 2 ply silk and dupioni shrink the most and should be pre-shrunk before sewing up. Place the silk in a sink or tub full of lukewarm water and mild soap. We like Ivory Snow (powder), some people swear by Woolite, some people like Orvus Quilt Soap (available at some Quilt stores as well as many Equestrian Saddle and Tack shops!) and some even use their favorite shampoo. Whatever you use, follow the package directions. Rub the silk fabric for a few minutes in the soapy solution and drain. Rinse in clear, cool water until all the soap is gone (don't wring, silk becomes weaker when wet!). Fold the garment flat and roll up in a towel (like a cinnamon roll) to remove excess water overnight. Remove from the towel and iron dry with a medium-low setting.

You can dry silk Noil in the dryer, but it shrinks more. Routine hand washing Soak the garment in lukewarm water and a mild soap solution (see pre-shrinking, above). Rinse in clear, cool water until all the soap is gone. then fill the sink again and add a quarter cup of white vinegar to the final rinse. Vinegar neutralizes any remaining soap, and allows it to rinse out completely restoring the fabric's natural sheen, it can make a dramatic difference. Give the fabric a final rinse in clear, cool water to remove the vinegar smell. Roll up in a towel to remove moisture, then dry flat on a towel or on a padded hanger. Iron with a low-medium temp iron while still slightly damp. Why Silk shrinks Silk fiber is a protein, like your hair, and it does not itself shrink. The way the individual fibers are twisted together when weaving is what causes silk to shrink. Highly twisted yarns and loose weaves cause shrinking when water releases twisting energy in the fibers. It's a bit like twisting a rubber band then reducing the length, seeing it bunch up. Silk bunches up the same way. Ready to wear silk garments shrink because manufacturers don't go to the trouble of washing the fabric first. Imagine that.

Reply to
Phaedrine

Last time I looked at it, silk satin didn't scroop. I wouldn't want it if it did. We're not talking about crisp dupionni. The silk in question is satin, which is supposed to be fluid and smooth, and had better not 'scroop'.

And then it's often stretched onto the bolt, and gets stashed in a warehouse and at least one truck before it even gets to the store and then it gets handled on the sales floor.

It's always a good idea to wash a fabric before you use it. The color may shift or run (yes, even on good fabrics). Washing (or cleaning) a fabric can change the hand of it (yes, even the good stuff). These are things you want to know *before* you cut and sew them.

Look, if Silk Road Fabrics, Oriental Silks , and Anjoorian Silks (to name a few) tell me that I can handwash silk without damaging it, I'm going to. I hate the smell of drycleaning. I hate the inconvenience. I hate the expense.

(Frankly, everything I've heard goes the other way, to the effect that handwashing soft silk is less likely to damage it than dry cleaning. And leaving a silk blouse sitting around sweaty and dirty while you get a load of cleaning together is even worse than putting the blouse in water.)

-- Jenn Ridley : snipped-for-privacy@chartermi.net

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Jenn Ridley

---snip---

Thank you.

In my house, what cannot be washed, cannot be in my closet. I figure we are exposed to enough chemicals without opting to add more. I type this while wearing silk-cotton sweats from Winter Silks that go in my washer and dryer regularly.

Reply to
Pogonip

Dear Friends,

I'm glad I started a ruckus here. The question was originally about silk satin. It can be ruined by washing. I don't wash my silk things, and they don't smell bad from dry cleaning. Some of you have the idea that "dry cleaning" means that everything is thrown in a big drum and tumbled. That's not the case. Sometimes, things are just spot cleaned and sponged. And if the cleaner knows what he/she's doing, they don't smell.

I use mostly wools and silks in my sewing. Sometimes I use high end cottons. I have never had anything shrink, either in the washer or at the dry cleaners. There are washable silks, of course. But the seracin has been removed from it, and it has other finishes. Good washable silks shouldn't run or change color. I hesitated to get into this discussion, and avoided the other thread about prewashing, because I knew what would happen. But to have someone make the mistake of washing a large piece of satin made me change my mind. I'd hate to have her ruin it and get discouraged.

In my fibers class, which was an experimental art class, we often dyed and washed silk to use for fine art projects. It is a real pain to get the wrinkles out, even in small pieces. The students usually did shibori or tie dyeing in small runs. If you order from Dharma Trading, the silk is ready to go into the dye pot. It doesn't have to be "treated."

Teri

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gjones2938

snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

some of us are violently allergic to formaldihyde & other chemicals used in processing fabrics. some of us are also allergic to dry cleaning chemicals. we wash fabric before doing anything with it (including just bringing it into the house).

maybe many people dry clean silk. i wash mine. some of my silk shirts go into the dryer even.

really? do you do the 4" square challenge often? it's amazing how some of these modern processed garment fabrics shrink, and i don't buy cheap fabric. lee

Reply to
enigma

I agree... and no ruckus or disrespect intended either. It's important to share our personal experiences and preferences. And though nearly all (but not all) types of silk are washable, it's up to the individual whether or not they wish to do so. It certainly depends on the kind of usage the garment will get. Here's my personal experience:

In our home, we wear darn few synthetics so I use mostly cottons but also a lot of silk. I wash most of the silks in the washer on the gentle cycle and dry some (not all) of them in the dryer on delicate. I have an ankle-length silk skirt (my favorite in fact) that is nearly

15 years old and worn extensively that has always been laundered this way. Only now is it starting to show some wear. Half my blouses are silk. I wash them all in the machine. I've never had one damaged from this treatment either. I have my silk suits and blazers dry cleaned.

In my experience, silks rarely shrink; loosely wovens might be an exception. Silks bleed more color than other kinds of fabrics so you need to be careful what you wash them with the first time or two. I think I recall reading that they take more dye than most fabrics and that is why they bleed a bit at first. I always prewash my silks (except suitings) so I know exactly how the fabric will drape, to get out any residues, and so I can better match notions. It works for me. Others may have different experiences.

Phae

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Phaedrine

Dear Friends,

Whew! I was dreading coming here today, after what I started here about washing. I know many people have allergic reactions to the formaldehyde used in many finishes. Don't you think after all these years an alternate chemical (inert) could be discovered? I remember having this discussion with one of my professors (an industry textile chemist) more than 25 years ago. He just shrugged his shoulders.

I have a piece of silk downstairs that I'll never use as it is. I think I'll do an experiment to see what happens.

And about the 4" square test? I think many sewists get into the habit of purchasing the same types of fabrics over and over. So it's not necessary to do this test, except on unusual fabrics that have not been used before. Some are obviously not to be washed (silk and wool suitings, for example), and most good wool is already sponged and ready for cutting. The only disaster I've had was with some heavy linen that I sewed up without prewashing. When it came time to wash it (a jeans-style jacket), the linen literally fell apart. It turned out that the weft threads were no more than roving, and disintegrated when wet. The same thing probably would have happened had I dry cleaned it, so I don't buy "bargain" linen any more. I'm thinking that it may not have been real linen, although it was advertised as such. I didn't have a microscope to examine it, and I was mad enough to just pitch it in the trash.

I can't think of another case where washing would have made a difference. I have nightmares thinking of having to handle and press five yards of fabric before I can use it.

Teri

Reply to
gjones2938

Try 10m of 60" wide substantial cotton! Bloody things weighs a ton...

About the ONLY garment stuff I regularly boil wash and tumble dry hot before cutting into is plain calico, which DOES shrink, as it's usually 'loom state' rather than 'needle ready'. I only bothered with the latest bit that will be used for toiles because one of the toiles is a dress with big panels which I can later cut up into Elizabethan corset bits and the like, once the toile is finished with. :)

The only other things I wash before use (and not always then!) are quilting cottons, many of which are NOT pre-shrunk. I also wash batting before use.

One bit I did wash before use (first in over 40 years of sewing) was recently: the cats got at (as in muddy paw prints all over it, and significant amounts of fluff!) some white mercerized cotton I was going to use for a costume thing, and I had to wash the whole 10m by 60" wide length! I'm ripping it off in chunks and ironing as I go with that!

With wool suitings I test press a cut and measured square: if it shrinks significantly, I'll press the yardage before cutting. I've never had to yet!

Reply to
Kate Dicey

No worries, you are among friends.

As I read the post you had made, I thought that you work mostly with high-style garments. Some others here do as well, and yet others not.

I am old enough now that I can declare myself eccentric, and refuse to follow fashion. I no longer care what's "in" or not, and dress to suit myself. Comfort and easy care are high on my priorities, so I simply do not dry clean. My husband gave me a lovely Pendleton bathrobe a few years ago - I wore it once, and saw that it has to be dry cleaned, so it's somewhere in the back of the closet, probably supporting an army of moths. To me, a bathrobe that must be dry cleaned is the height of insanity. Bless his heart.

For those here who sew for fashion, weddings, and other events requiring specialized clothing, you have always been there with guidance and good advice. I think we all appreciate that.

For those of us, who may be few here, who don't give a whit for fashion, but are of a practical bent, I think we enjoy reading about fancy-dress, and are always interested in techniques.

So, wash that silk, and experiment with it, and let us know how it turns out.

Reply to
Pogonip

I will try that. I have nothing to lose, and if it doesn't work, I'll have an extra hanger. ;-)

Eccentric or practical? Both.

Reply to
Pogonip

I absolutely LOVE washable silk - and there's lots of it about! No need to ruin a dry-clean only bit to get what you want. Just buy the washable stuff.

Sandwashed (has a slightly sueded feel and a slightly powdery look to the surface) and most silk knits are washable. So are a lot of silk blends, and lingerie silk.

Reply to
Kate Dicey

If it doesn't work, felt the darn thing! There would be more than enough good-looking felted plaid for a vest, don't you think? and it would be washable, wouldn't it?

Doreen in Alabama

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Doreen

Great idea!!!

Reply to
Pogonip

Joanne, I made my husband a new Pendleton wool shirts every year for years.

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bought the fabric at the Pendleton outlet in Washougal, WA.
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Every piece of yardage came home for a nice cool bath, was hung to dry and steam pressed before I cut out the shirts. He hated the dry-cleaning process, and never thought his RTW Pendleton shirts were *really clean* after dry-cleaning, so we just decided to make the ones *I* made washable. I never had a problem with any genuine Pendleton wool, although some lesser wools I treated that way came out of the wash quite rumpled, and were hard to press flat. If you like the robe otherwise, why not give washing it a try?

Beverly

Reply to
BEI Design

I am going to try that. It's doing nobody any good in the back of the closet, so there's nothing to lose but a little time.

Reply to
Pogonip

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