Sad Day for American Textile Industry

As someone who lives in the center of the dying textile industry I'v seen the sad side effects of it. Our town emblem carries a threa spool and my husbands family has lived at the back door of a Parkdal dying plant for almost a hundred years. My mother in law and much o my family spent their lives in the textile industry and now th plants are closing and being torn down. It angered me to see th fuss made over the Kannapolis plant because Gaston County has los many more jobs than that but in small spurts and no one ever stood u for us, no one paid our people what they are paying the pillowte workers.

For us younger people in this area we are learning that the textile are not an option anymore and education is the key. Perhaps this i good and perhaps bad. Fortunately, or unfortunately I'm torn betwee the two sides of this issue. I am dissapointed to see textil production move out of the US but at the same time I can understan the difficulty of sustaining a profitable business with the cost o labor in the united states. Perhaps it is a case of american wanting it all but maybe it is not a bad thing for some stuff to b produced overseas. The production of goods is helping to stabilis economies in countries where there is a desperate need for work. Because of much lower costs of living wages can be lower (althoug this in no way excuses abusive behaviors by businesses who tak advantage). I'd like to think that in the long run, as we continu to have a more global economy it will balance out and we will see higher standard of living across the board

Of course I would never claim that there is an easy answer. It break my heart every time I drive past a spot where a mill once stood. There is a sense of loss not only of jobs but of our heritage. I bothers me to think that my children will never realize how thei grandparents struggled and worked the mills with the hope of more fo their grandchildren.

I'll say one last thing and then I'll shut up. At christmas they tor down the mill where my mother in law had worked. I was driving m nephew home from school and telling him and my kids (who are still t young to understand) that grandma Jo had worked there for years and hope someday they would realize the impact that textiles had i building this area. My nephew got a funny look on his face and sai "yeah, grandma jo said the same thing when she took me to school thi morning". I hope someday he does realize

This a picture I took on Christmas day, the plant is the one on m parents road. It is parkdale mill #7. The mill closed about tw years ago but up till then it was a dye plant. Getting a picture o a rainbow over the mill was just a little bit symbolic for me. Hop that doesn't sound to mushy LO Angel Harris

formatting link
sent from SiCK Designs and Hands of Love Embroidery Forum
formatting link

Reply to
harris071297
Loading thread data ...

Hey, I was in Leeds yesterday! Richmond is North Yorkshire and very different to Leeds. It's a pretty, rural, market town. Leeds is an industrial city. Great-Grandad must have been good to get work as far away as Richmond.

When you look at the old buildings in the cities in the West Riding you can see that there must have been a lot of money there in the Victorian age when they were built. Only a wealthy city would have the money to spare for expensive carved stone gargoyles and twiddly bits on its town hall and market.

There are still families around here that get free coal because Dad used to work down the mine. The coal's smokeless since the Sixties, and much less polluting. The West Riding has lost two industries, coal and textiles, that between them were pretty much the economic foundation of the area. It's been a tough few decades. There are kids at the school in which I work who've never known an adult member of the family in paid employment. It's pretty hard to get them to buy into the importance of education when they don't believe that it'll make any difference because there'll be no jobs anyway.

There are new jobs now; new industries have come in to take up some of the pool of skilled labour. But they're small stuff compared to the huge employment of the mines and mills. You can't take away the carpet and floorboards from underneath an area and pat yourself on the back for introducing a few rugs.

You washed the sheets and hung them out, and on bad days they were covered in clots of soot while they were on the line.

The steps were not only scrubbed, they were rubbed with a whiting stone to give them a nice white edge. And it wasn't only pride: the old biddies would have folded their arms over their pinnies and muttered about the slovenliness of anyone who didn't keep up the exacting standards. Fear of shame had a lot to do with it.

Sally

Reply to
Sally Holmes

Joanne, Your combined references to Pittsburgh and Hannah's (English) Mum remind me of a remark an Englishman made about Pittsburgh when he visited it in the late nineteenth century. He called in "Hell with the lid off." You'll find the account of this visit in Charles Dickens's American Notes .

Reply to
Max Penn

It was an interesting place. The air was awful, but the mills ran 24 hours, and it was hell - a hell of molten iron and steel. Lots used open hearth, so you could see the molten metal from a distance. There were coke ovens, too. I have a coffee table book of pictures of Pittsburgh through the ages that my cousin gave me. It's self-published, but has gone into several editions. Wonderful pictures.

Reply to
Pogonip

Perhaps it is a case of americans

Thanks for an extremely well balanced view.

Reply to
Hanna's Mum

This is a thoughtful view. I hope this can be regarded as a constructive contribution to this dialogue. Why should the people in countries where there are so many legitimate needs for material goods work to export stuff to the West where we already have such an abundance? Why can we not help them rather to create their own markets? If wages are low and prices are low, there ought to be a reasonble degree of parity between what things cost and what a worker can afford. If they're earning a pittance and we in the West are causing a higher demand for the goods they produce, then we are driving prices up in their own country. If this doesn't perpetuate poverty at the lower economic levels in their society, then I misunderstand the basic capitalist concept of supply and demand.

The bad news is that this would also raise prices in the developed world. The good news is the higher prices would support the higher wages we have come to expect. The other good news--unless one believes an economy can only be supported by continually accellerating consumption--is that we might have less stuff. We might be unable to afford to produce throwaway sewing machines, for example, in our richer economies. Less stuff would accumulate in landfills. Those who could afford it could still have cheap vacations in poor countries.

I'm not seeking a Utopia but it is wrong for a corporation to go abroad with its production just so the shareholders can obtain a few more pennies per share. Lest anyone should feel the need to point these things out, I understand that "wrong" is a moral judgement and also that any opinions I may express are my own.

How many people here remember the phrase "good corporate citizenship"? When was the last time you heard it?

Reply to
Max Penn

Never forget: companies are not in business to make cloth/clothes/shoes/soft drinks/sewing machines/electrical goods/whatever...

They are in business to make money. These items are only the means by which they do this. Some have a more ethical and/or eco-friendly approach to HOW they do this than others, but money is the bottom line.

I *will* buy goods from all over the world, from wherever I get a good price: I *prefer* to buy from eco-friendly ethical companies, but if none make the goods I want, or only makes them at a price I cannot afford, I will buy from whoever does.

Reply to
Kate Dicey

And that is the business of trade. Here in the chemical valley of Canada we see both the "good corporate citizen" who contributes to the community and the very same company that pollutes our water and air and sells products that do both good an harm. Its hard to decide what exactly they are. I will also shop for what I want, can afford and like. I just do it in a bigger market place now. I like my small independent fabric store because I like the people and always get a cuppa when there. The staff provide the personal touch too, BUT if Wal Mart has something that catches my eye they get my business too.

Reply to
Hanna's Mum

Anyone know where I can get a lot of metres of this in black. I need to dress a queen in morning.

Reply to
Hanna's Mum

Mourning?

MUST it be bombazine? Croft Mill may still have black poly taffeta that would do very nicely.

Reply to
Kate Dicey

this is what the designers have requested....yes its mourning....sorry slippery fingers

Is Croft Mill on line? I will get some of the taffeta and show them but when I was in last week they had several samples of 'modern' fabrics and none were suitable to the 'designer'.......the things they make us do..... My son had to design a light dress for Gypsy Rose Lee last year. Few hundred LEDS and various curves and of course solder is not flexible.

Reply to
Hanna's Mum

;)

Yes, but it's easier to just ring them because the catalogue isn't on line.

I remember that! He should have used that fabric that lights up they used at the Royal Opera House. Mind you, at a couple of hundred pounds per metre...

Reply to
Kate Dicey

hey did not want any fabric at all---just a cage affair. Still no pictures of it, theatres are very secretive.....but I don't think price is a problem for the Shaw.

Reply to
Hanna's Mum

things get really

Mike, I congratulate you for actually having some knowledge of history and economics. Sharon

Reply to
Seeker

Reply to
Seeker

I'm not talking about global warming either - I'm talking about excess consumption. The US requires too much to sustain the modern lifestyle. The Chinese will _never_ attain that (unless a miracle happens) because there isn't enough to go around.

The main reason things are cheaper in the third world is that labour is cheaper. The other stuff is just petty cash by comparison. You can't compare a $7.00 per hour minimum wage to the $7.00 per week that some folks in the third world earn for the same work (and consider a good wage). $7.00/hr in the US is below the poverty level for a family and barely at the poverty level for a single person.

I haven't said a thing about that.

If those debts were in good faith in the first place, perhaps. Debt forgiveness is peanuts compared to the exploitation that preceded it. The US currently supports high domestic sugar prices to protect big US agribusiness. They then screw African sugar producers with no market. Then they lend the money to the Africans so they can buy US military hardware and suppress the poor. Free trade? Fair Trade? It starts at home.

Mike

Reply to
Michael Daly

My sister and brother-in-law met and married while working in a Canadian textile company that no longer exists. They lost their jobs when production moved to the US in the '70s.

My brother didn't mope - he took his sales skills to another industry and my sister decided to stay home and have and raise a kid.

The cod fishery in Eastern Canada has basically shut down. There aren't enough cod left (due to overfishing by many greedy nations) to support the number of boats that used to work the Grand Banks and other areas.

The shell and lobster fishery that has replaced it is worth 40% more than the cod fishery. The companies are actually better off than before! But you still hear people crying that they should re-open the cod fishery.

These shifts in work are not new. Technology, fads, economies and such have changed continuously for centuries. Those who hold onto the old ways tend to fall further and further behind and those who move on, do just fine. Such is life.

Mike

Reply to
Michael Daly

Thanks. It was easier to graduate from engineering than to get into engineering - to do that, they made me study history and economics!! :-)

Mike

Reply to
Michael Daly

THis has been a really interesting conversation for me to look at. must say the best point I've seen is that Americans are in way t much debt. I agree, it's a HUGE problem. I am one of the ones i debt and hope my kids never get here! I got into debt starting business right before 9-11. When 9-11 happened my business went fla for about 3 years. I could not turn a profit for anything! Peopl didn't want dance costumes, pageant gowns or specialty products lik they had because they were struggling in their own jobs. Add th fact that in this area so many lost jobs and it really hurt me. now have horrible credit and owe more money because of high interes rates. If I could go back and do things differently I would hav done things differently but I definately didn't predict 9-11. No I'm just hoping we don't see another tragedy like bird flu hit or could be bankrupt. My husband and I have everything paid off excep our house (only 70,000) and our credit debt which is about 16,000. Still, I feel like I've got a huge weight hanging over my head an will until it's all paid off! I don't know the answer but I do kno I'm tired of debt

Angel

----- Message sent from SiCK Designs and Hands of Love Embroidery Forum

formatting link

Reply to
harris071297

Angela, let's talk about this; maybe we can help you figure out how to get back on your feet. First, are you a member of the SewBiz list? If not, you ought to be. Go to quiltropolis.com and join up, ASAP. It's full of people with sewing businesses, and they are extremely generous with their knowledge and advice, which will help you.

Also, have you thought about changing your business focus so that you are not as dependent on the market swings? Maybe adding an alterations aspect to your business? When a custom sewing business is in trouble, adding alterations can help a lot to keep it afloat, especially in times of general economic crisis; people will repair old clothing before they buy new in such times. Or perhaps there is another, similar product that you can make that is more desirable to potential customers at the moment. Later on, you can go back to the custom business you wanted in the first place.

I know what you mean about 9/11 affecting a business; a friend and I had a two-month old business creating websites for craft-related designers then, and after two solid months of no sales at all, we had to fold it in November of that year. We had spent a lot of time and money getting it started, and had been to a convention where we had lots of interest in our service, and had begun signing up customers. After the attacks, every single potential customer stopped their decision-making process altogether. It was devastating to our little fledgling business, which my partner was counting on as the bulk of her income. I could have waited it out, but she just couldn't, so we had to refund all the money we had collected. I think if we had kept the business open longer, it would have just gotten worse. My friend ended up getting a job as the editor of a knitting magazine, and now owns a yarn company, so it was a good decision for us. Luckily, we had not invested in a storefront, as we were both telecommuting.

Reading the above, it's hard to believe that was already more than four years ago!

Karen Maslowski in Cincinnati

formatting link

harris071297 wrote:

Reply to
Karen Maslowski

InspirePoint website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.