Searching for a heavy knit/woven with Sheen to it!

On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:59:57 -0700, BEI Design

I think my mom had some fiberglas curtains back in the 60's that would have met the specs. Except I'm not sure I'd want to wear it...

Sounds perfect for OP. Did you get a gander at that costume?

;->

Beverly

My cat never sits on my lap at all. Not even when DH isn't home.

But he always takes a nap when I do. Lately, though, he's been starting without me.

Joy Beeson

On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:45:39 -0700, BEI Design

I was actually sort of thinking Plasti-dip, but it might be fairly painful when undressing... should be shiny and snagproof, though.

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Wow- weeeee..........ouch....

The cacklin' woke me up this mornig, I had to see what it was about.

This thread makes me afraid to ANYTHING to this forum.

I guess you only post here when you already know everything.

I guess I won't be posting anything else soon, I haven't gotten my "knowitall" star yet.

Have a great weekend ladies.

Read the whole thing before you jump to conclusions. We LOVE helping folks that have questions. We don't even mind at all pointing people who ask questions like this one (where do I find fabric and someone to make this?) towards the local help they need.

What we DO NOT LIKE and find VERY RUDE are posts that say "I'm coming to ask you this, but I don't have time to read the group, so just email me." Very bad manners to do that sort of thing. And there are enough Moms and Grandmoms here we automatically jump on bad manners.

Sharon

It has nothing at all to do with any of us claiming to "know everything". You might make note of the fact that OP indicated that s/h/it was far too busy/important to come back to the newsgroup to read responses, and requested e-mail replies:

"IF YOU REPLY, please reply to this email address, or I probably won't see it =/"

I suppose the emoticon was supposed to take the sting out of its rude request. Making fun of rudeness has a long tradition in Usenet. Note, "googlegroups" is NOT Usenet.

Yet another erroneous assumption. Not everyone here is a lady (or even a woman), there are actually quite a few gentlemen/men.

Beverly

I suppose it could have been worse. At least we were given an email address. We could have been given a demand that we put the information on a web site and then post the URL.

Between sewergirls and googlegroups, it's a bit of a mess, isn't it? I'm guessing that it's because so many ISPs are dropping news from their services, and these somewhat lame solutions are being promoted.

LOL! Was that a typo or deliberate? ;-)

Indeed. At least snipped-for-privacy@google.com is a working address (not that they do anything). Reports of abuse to snipped-for-privacy@sewgirls.com and snipped-for-privacy@sewgirls.com both bounce. They have been nominated for a listing at RFC-Ignorant.org.

I'm guessing that it's because so many> ISPs are dropping news from their services, and these> somewhat lame solutions are being promoted. Probably true, but there *are* better alternatives, many are free or very low cost:

Very true, but it takes a certain level of net savvy to even be aware of Usenet and what news groups are, and how many there are and how useful they are. I think a lot of the people we see coming through Google just stumble upon it. Some turn to Google as a stop-gap when their service dropped Usenet, like AOL did and several others - my own GBIS included.

Maybe some here are feeling threatened by the emergence of googlegroups. Maybe, they are being taken out of their "comfort zone" of alt.sewing where they have a disproportionate percentage of the posts, seniority, and a feeling of entitlement and authority.

They tend to assume ownership of the group, patrolling it's borders, enforcing their rules of "etiquette" they are delighted to dictate to newcomers and ridicule them. Hens do the same thing by pecking in a barnyard, heading off perceived threats to their status by new arrivls. Googlegroups, by their diversity would be difficult to dominate and star in, reducing their status.

Just a thought to consider, prompted by this particular thread.

JPBill

There used to be a web portal for news groups called Dejanews, and one or two others, I think. They went away, and Google started incorporating news group archives in their offerings. Many people who use Google's access think these are message boards and on the Internet. Google's access is often targeted by spammers and by the sorts of cross-posters who want to share their sexual preferences.

News groups vary from mild, moderate, polite ones like this one, to others where a new poster who displays his ignorance is flayed and served up. Since some news groups are associated with other enterprises, like coin collectors, model train enthusiasts, eBay users, etc., what one posts in a news group can have some ramifications in "real life." It's easy enough to take a look at other news groups, and it can be a real eye opener to anyone who thinks that alt.sewing has posters with a feeling of entitlement and authority.

With news groups, as with email lists and message boards, there are "ground rules" and they may vary. Lists and boards tend to be moderated, and if that is more comfortable, that is where a person should do their interaction. In news groups, it is up to each person to do the moderation of their own posts and to utilize the filters on their news reader to moderate what they read. With Google, that is not an option.

Following your hen yard analogy, what is it with roosters? People around here are culling roosters, which seems a bit unfair, until you live next door to someone who keeps chickens. Chickens produce eggs. Roosters just crow.

Around here, a place called Coastal Farm and Ranch had a big pullet sale recently, and were *giving away* cockerels. It was that or drown 'em. But they had put up a big sign warning non-farm folks that these were going to grow up to be roosters, and would never produce anything more useful than a dawn-alert (which might annoy the neighbors).

I am not threatened by Google Groups. I blame Google for not informing people that Google Groups is not like Yahoo Groups and that the bulk of "their groups" don't really have anything to do with them but are part of a community that has been around for decades.

But that still doesn't excuse pe>

Bzzzt.

Wrong on nearly all counts.

Not threatened. Annoyed and Pissed Off by lazy self-centered people who can't be bothered to learn even the basics of the information highway they are so willing to take advantage of; who expect that there are flocks of people just hanging on their every word, waiting impatiently to answer their vague questions with specific information. Privately. With addresses and contact information for people in their area -- without them specifying exactly *where* they are.

A person is not going to get any kind of positive response by saying "I'm too lazy to do any of my own work. I want a source for this fabric to fit these specifics. I want somebody in my area who will be willing to make something for me out of this fabric for cheap. Email me, because my time is sooo much more valuable than yours, and I can't be bothered to answer any further questions or participate in any discussions about this."

And Netiquette is not new, nor are the rules hidden or private -- I was first introduced to it 20+ years ago. And alt-sewing is *very* lenient about enforcing it.

(btw- you want "its", not "it's".)

-- Jenn Ridley : snipped-for-privacy@chartermi.net

Samantha, you and most others know a lot more about the internet than I, which is probably why I am more tolerant of others who may know even less and don't conform to your netiquette by requesting a personal reply, for eg. Casting the first stone, and all. I also don't think these relatively rare events will kill a ng. If someone has something to offer by way of a solution, they can just post it per usual and the group will still have the benefit if they have the same question.

Instead some had no interest or ability to come up with an answer to the earnest question asked, but chose to spank and belittle her with snide remarks, even ridiculing her choice of a project. That's mean and uncalled for and doesn't deserve a pass, although clothed thinly in what they (alone) consider "humor". Same principle as the mean aunt who habitually cuts up people but always finishes with a smile and "Bless her heart".

As far as ng's going dead, I'm surprised there is so little protest to the reverse of what happened here, i.e. the public posting of OT personal conversations among 2 or 3 which could be private communications. The usual rejoinder to that is: "You don't have to read them, just pass on by". That sword cuts both ways; the request for help in this case could be passed up too, but the temptation for some to take a swipe at somebody was apparently too great. JPBill

Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply wrote:

Sorry I hit a nerve, Jean. The parting shot on my errant apostrophe is a dead give away.

Rx for the tightly wound on this topic: See my recent post about 10 min. ago about "tolerance", double up on the Librium and chill.

JPBill

You just hit another nerve. (note: my name's *not* jean)

into the killfile with you. I don't need to read more justifications for not following rules of common courtesy. I get that enough from the kids.

-- Jenn Ridley : snipped-for-privacy@chartermi.net

I personally choose education by direct email rather than public castigation. I also choose to either educate spammers or report them to their ISPs rather than castigate them publically depending on how ignorant I think they are being (it is sort of obvious after a while who cares and who doesn't)

Little drops of water, little grains of sand.... and if you don't encourage people to keep the discussion in the discussion group, it is like not doing anything to discourage spammers or some kind of disruptive or unwelcome pest (not that ignorant people are pests -- just follow my logic here) -- if you don't do your best to discourage them, they will take over everything.

To be honest, if you look at more newsgroups, you will find that this newsgroup is relatively gentle on people who don't toe the line. I was in the general dog newsgroup and asked a simple question and got personally attacked by people for each little thing I said that someone interpreted as meaning that I had all the potential of being an inconsiderate pet owner, not raising it properly, or whatever. The majority of them were too busy criticizing me for having the nerve to get a dog when they had decided I had no business having one than they were in trying to help me find an answer to my problem. The only funny thing about it was that some people were interpreting what I said in exactly opposite ways and were telling me that I should do exactly opposite things.

If you aren't really familiar with Usenet, allow me to share my favorite Internet course (the one that resulting in my becoming all my friend's favorite Internet guru) and recommend you read at least lessons 7, 8, and 9: