sort of OT

Nods

I completely disagree - and I invite all newcomers, visitors and lurkers to post their thoughts & questions any time. I much prefer a tolerant, friendly, & welcoming newsgroup ! ... it sure beats the other kind ! John T.

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Thanks John T! I think the other two posters come off very rude and not very charitable at all. After reading that, I would hesitate to ask anything, in fact, probably won't.

Bummer, I thought this was a nice group.

Julie

Well those 'other two posters' have been posting to this group since before Adam was born so their names are very well known as being long term mainstays of this group. They've both put in the hard yards here answering questions and contributing for years.

I can certainly understand why they might both be irritated by one hit posters.

Well, this *is* a nice group. But you have to agree that even the worm... you know the proverb. Those who rack their brains to find solutions for those who ask would at least appreciate a little thank you. On the other hand, those who ask once feel perhaps a little insecure about their store of experience, especially when comparing it with the Giants of Knowledge in here, such as as Beverly, Kate, Joy and all the others (please forgive me if I don't mention each name here separately). I myself have felt intimidated for a long while, and it took me years of lurking and asking before I offered the first advice to a novice on some unimportant matter (as far as I remember). Still, however, if you're not too shy to ask a question then you shouldn't be too shy to say thank you for the reply.

U.

Thank you Ursula. I'm sure I came across as being hard headed and I'm not. You are a great example of I mean. You came and you stayed. You have asked questions and you have answered many. It takes so little effort really to be part of this group. Staying around is all the thanks most of us,including me, want. Juno

You're right, there are some very nice people on this group. I take back my comment.

i don't think saying thank you is all these ladies want. They want participation. It bugs one and the other Hates when people ask a question without participating.

Julie

Participation is what keeps this group going. Show up ask when you need to, answer when you can. Don't like my choice of words you said so and I accept your criticism. Just stay here, I don't think that's asking to much. Juno

Thank you

Yep - you're welcome - as everyone else is - it's an open forum for sewing-related topics. ... no moderator. John T.

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And others who participate here - occasional visitors, lurkers - might not feel the same "ownership" as the mainstays -

- but have absolutely no problem with welcoming newcomers ! One-hit posters two-hit posters .. I'm not counting. John T.

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Exactly - thanks Ursula. ... instead of " please stay away " ... " a thank you would be nice " I hereby thank all the mainstays - and Ron too :-) Swiss Elna s forever ! John T.

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Thanks for your input Farmi, You also have been here forever and have asked and answered many questions. I think you understand my frustration.Once in awhile things just reach a boiling point and I reached mine when I put up that post. I don't expect anyone to agree with me,but it's nice to know that there are those who do. This group has done so much for my ability to sew better than before I came here. If people want to lurk that's fine too. If you come for one time problem just say so and perhaps when invited to stay around at least have the courtesy to say "No Thank You." You notice I don't say you have to say Thank You. If people don't come back one in awhile and contribute, the group will disappear. That will be sad because it will deprive many people of the opportunity to learn and improve as those of us who hang around have done. Juno

:If people don't come back one in awhile and contribute, the group will :disappear. That will be sad because it will deprive many people of the :opportunity to learn and improve as those of us who hang around have done.

Scolding people who ask questions isn't likely to encourage participation.

I expressed an opinion. In the eyes of many people a negative one. I realize I offended people. I'm just one person here. If you don't like my opinion, I accept that. I'm really not a negative person, I'm a very upbeat one, but it is my opinion, I said it and now I'm done with the subject. Controversy is a better than apathy. I'm not sorry I did that. Juno

.. there ya go ! .. a very welcoming post ! Good on ya ! John T.

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Well said, Beverly and John. Juno

The original "scold" was not in response to anyone's 'question', it was a generic comment about what "bugs" her. If anyone took offence, perhaps it was a case of "if the shoe fits", making that person see him/herself in an unattractive light.

Participation here is welcome to one and all, and those of us who share our years of experience and research capabilities would like to know that the answer(s) do/did indeed help.

When Ron jumps in with suggestions (thank you, Ron!), I am appalled at the rudeness of those who pose a question but fail to reply his solution. How long would you continue offering your assistance if no one ever posted a response?

It is not personal. It is just how things have evolved, revolved, devolved... something. If I go to Google or WebCrawler or somewhere - the latest on how to apply grommets - they're not 'people' , they're a place. Or are they? And a 'thank you' ? Where would you send one? Communication has changed so fast for this great-grandma I probably miss some nuance of good manners. But. I am grateful and profoundly helped by your help here. I thank you. Polly