A different sort of chuck

Hey guys-

I'm getting all set up to start making a metal lathe, and while previewing Gingery's book on the subject before beginning, I ran across his design for a home-made chuck.

While it certainly isn't going to put any of the big boys out if business anytime soon, it was a very interesting design I figured I'd share with the group- especially for new turners who may be lurking and are still shaking from the sticker shock of the price of a chuck after dropping all their money on the lathe itself! :)

His design is very simple and elegant-

Basically, he uses a standard faceplace with four slots- then, using a couple of blocks (cast, in the book, but they could milled or shaped with a grinder from whatever you've got easily enough), he makes one block with a V-groove in the center that is mounted to a standoff that is 1.5" tall, and has a tapped hole it a "tail" piece that is used to mount it to the faceplate. In the illustration, there is a second tapped hole in the standoff itself that I am assuming is used to keep the mount from twisting around if the first screw loosens at all. The second "jaw" is a piece of flat stock that is bolted to two threaded holes in the V-block. To close, you tighten those two bolts, to open, loosen them.

Aligning the chuck would probably best be done by installing both the faceplate and the spur center, and then roughing as usual- making sure that the foot is at the headstock end. After you've got a tenon turned, and are ready to loose the tailstock, you could put the "chuck" on the foot so that it was snug against the faceplate, and close it so that it is snug, but can still be rotated. Turn the chuck until it lines up with a slot, then bolt the base to the faceplate, tighten the jaws and away you go.

Admittedly, this is not as simple and easy to use as a commerical woodturning chuck- but it is an interesting alternative for the turner on a budget. I figure a guy who already has a faceplate could make one with a grinder, a file, and a drill press. The material used in the book is 3/4" thick cast aluminum, but I would imagine that using steel scraps from whatever a guy can dig up would work even better than that- and a stronger material like steel probably does not need to be quite that thick. An even simpler mount might consist of just a thick piece of steel angle iron bolted to the faceplate with a v-block welded or bolted to it, and a second jaw as described above (though in my mind, a second v-block or even a pair of blocks with a u-shaped recess to get more clamping area might be better...)

Now, I couldn't tell you how well this rig works yet, as I haven't made one (though it has made it onto my "to-do" list,) but when I saw it, it sure was a head slapping moment.

Of course, all standard disclaimers apply- I am assuming that as this was designed for turning metal, it should be plenty strong for woodturning, but I'd rather not be held liable for someone making it out of tinfoil and wood glue, and then calling a lawyer when a hunk of wood comes flying at them! I can see some potential for danger in the project, so if you try it out, be careful.

If anyone is particularly interested in trying this out, but can't quite figure it out from the description above, I can draw up a CAD file and e-mail it off-list on request. Gingery's description is not that clear, and the only diagrams are for making castings, so I am going to innocently assume that if I draft it, modify it for woodturning and fill in the gaps myself, and am not *selling* the plans, it's not copyright infringment (I hope.) There are a couple of very simple modifications I can think of that would make it at once more useful and safer, so those will be in any plan I might draw up. The plan won't exist unless someone wants it, so let me know how much information you need it you want one- I can do anything from a simple scale drawing to a step-by-step walkthrough on fabricating each part. I figure a handy guy could do it in about an hour, not counting scrounging time. Making faceplates will not be covered- if you don't have one, talk to Bill Noble on this list, and I'm sure he can help you out.

For anyone who likes the idea and wants to try out making his four-jaw chuck, it's in his book "The dividing head & deluxe accesories" from Lindsay publications, and it's even a fairly inexpensive book ($7, IIRC)

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Prometheus
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Hi Jesse, Thanks for your good discussion and for taking time to study and contribute these ideas. I would like to have step by step instructions with your modifications. Please make them simple enough for webtv to accept and its owner to understand. :)

There is a 'let down' from being 'put down' after spending time trying to help others or encourage thinking about woodturning and that is surely not my intent. Just to supplement yours, here are some additional references re faceplate dogs, ring chucks, die chucks, etc.

Holtzazapffel's "Hand Or Simple Turning" Ch. VI, shows some interesting

18th C. chucks.

More recently, Mike Darlow's "Woodturning Methods" illustrates and discusses various chucking methods.

I found Harbor Freight's independent four jaw chuck with spindle adapters an inexpensive and time saving platform for trying these variations on. Many have tried, but most of us gave it up for various reasons.

A faceplate by itself is not obsolete. As a 'multiscrew chuck' it's better than a scroll chuck for many usages. Newbies should learn to use it now instead of later.

BTW, are you making a metal lathe from scratch or combining parts from other metal lathes? Whether for the fun of doing it or to save money, I wish you every success and hope you'll keep us posted as you make it and use it.

Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter

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Prometheus Sounds great. I like the idea of different chucks even though I have a One Way four jaw. Notice that if comes with a screw to make it into a screw chuck? These are simple to make and ceratinly not obsolete. I am formatting a turning book from 1919 for the web (give me a couple of days) and when it speaks of chucks it means screw chucks or turned chucks. Plans of yours would be nice to see. It sounds like a machinists four point chuck.

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Will do- can webtv accept .jpg pictures or .pdf (adobe acrobat files)?

Extra information is *never* a put down. There where plans for a faceplate dog as well, but that seemed to be intended for supporting spindle work.

I'll check them out, thanks,

Not a bad idea- I'll check it out, and see it that is an even less expensive option than milling out a faceplate.

Absolutely. I know I was frustrated when I first got mine, until I had a little moment of inspiration and drilled it out so that I could use short lag screws instead of regular wood screws- that made all the difference.

I am making it from scratch using a combination blacksmithing forge/foundry furnace I've just completed with the help of some guys on a blacksmithing group. I haven't put a pyrometer on it yet, but is is definitely hot enough to melt aluminum and copper for casting, and may be hot enough to melt enough material to cast smaller iron parts. If it means anything to you, it burns six pounds of propane per hour, which roughly comes out to 130,320 btus of heat ignited and and confined in a 508 cubic inch chamber lined with ceramic refractory. If I have any aptitude for casting, I'll probably build a cupola furnace next summer to cast larger iron and steel components- but finding the right fuel will be the real challenge there.

It's going to be a Gingery lathe hand-built with some small modifications in the procedures. Since I have a vertical mill, laser cutter, and a tapping machine at work, along with the usual suspects found in a metalworking shop at work to help me along, I intend to speed things up a little by precision milling the cast parts instead of hand-scraping them, and replacing aluminum cast parts with either forged or milled steel parts where ever I can make that happen with my resources. If you've never seen a picture of one of these tools, they are modeled after early machinist's lathes made in the late 1800/early

1900s, when blacksmiths made them themselves to make thier shops more productive. I'm also going to tackle the metal shaper and horizontal mill if I'm not completely sick of it after completing the lathe.

It's only partially to save money- metalworking tools are insanely expensive, but it's still the case that the accessories are what get you in the end. And, I don't really need them- I just want them. It's more about what I'm certain to learn in the process- I am hoping that building precise machines from scratch for goofing off with metalworking will get me enough "practice" to start making myself some really fancy woodworking tools at some point in the future. I've got a pretty nice shop at this point- much closer to the high end than the low, but that means that any further tooling upgrades would cost me

*real* money, and I can't justify that to my wife, as the wood shop is a hobby and a self-reliance thing for making my own furniture the way I like it and helping out friends, and not a business where very expensive equipment will eventually pay for itself.
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Prometheus

That may be the term for it- he calls it a two-jaw chuck in the text, but he guy was a backyard warrior who made working models of antique engines as a hobby, so his terminology may be a little suspect. The plan as presented in the book has only three points of contact, but could be easily modifed to provide four points.

I'll draft up some visual aids sometime this week, and probably post them to ABPW for general consumption. (Don't worry Arch, I'll e-mail to you direct if webTV doesn't support binary newsgroups. Same goes for anyone else who can't get them there)

I've already got a four jaw chuck as well (It's a Grizzly and not a Oneway, but it works well) so there's no compelling reason for this project, other than the fun of doing it.

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Prometheus

Just to let anyone who was waiting on this know, I haven't forgotten about it- I just got laid up with the winter crud this weekend, and didn't want to do a half-assed job on it.

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Prometheus

What's ABPW?

-TH

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S'later...

...Kevin

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