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this old blount looks to have seen better days but it is probably built
like a tank and if the motor is good could be placed back into service
with out spending a lot

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/tls/d/blount-lathe/6487969403.html

could probably turn outboard too


the price seems high but it is in very good shape

https://fresno.craigslist.org/tls/d/powermatic-model-90-wood-lathe/6440850653.html



not a bad deal compared with what 600 will get you for a new lathe

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/d/general-wood-lathe/6488944396.html


a massive oliver this might be the same one seen before

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/d/oliver-lathe/6476274785.html


interesting vintage vega  

https://reno.craigslist.org/tls/d/vega-170-wood-lathe/6464537055.html

not bad since it can turn outboard as well


even though it is a jet it would make a great starter setup since it also
includes a woodcraft waterstone sharpener


https://klamath.craigslist.org/tls/d/wood-lathe-and-planer-325-obo/6483844412.html


a unrealistic price for an oddball

https://fresno.craigslist.org/tls/d/wood-lathe/6470726239.html



this could be saved for april fools day

https://klamath.craigslist.org/tls/d/wood-lathe-and-planer-325-obo/6483844412.html













Re: blount vega oliver and more
On 2018-02-08 12:19 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
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General was a great company making superb woodworking machinery at their  
foundry in Drummondville, Quebec. The only N.American competitor on  
quality in those days was Powermatic - Delta was almost as good.
Now General is no more and the Powermatic foundry has also closed (AIUI).

Re: blount vega oliver and more
On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 10:24:50 AM UTC-6, graham wrote:
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Its been 20 to 30 years since the North American companies made American/Ca
nadian tools.  Think Powermatic was the first to go to Taiwan and/or China.
  Followed fairly quickly by Delta.  Early to late 1990s when this happened
.  General, not sure what happened to them.  They were always tiny compared
 to the other two.  Not sure if ownership changed 30 years ago and the new  
owner immediately closed all Canadian built machines and moved everything i
nstantly to China.  Or maybe General stayed with its old owners and they sa
w the writing on the walls and followed Delta and Powermatic to China or Ta
iwan.  But for all of them, its been 20-30 years since any of them made Nor
th American machines.  Its all Chinese now.

Re: blount vega oliver and more
On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 09:24:46 -0700

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i recall your previous comments about general here

did not look closely at this one but from what you are seeing this is
a real good buy










Re: blount vega oliver and more
On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 4:47:16 PM UTC-6, Electric Comet wrote:
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The General 160 lathe for $600 is probably a great buy.  Value wise.  BUT,  
its still a 12" swing lathe.  Is 36" between centers.  Pulley speed changes
.  Maybe Reeves drive to get variable speed.  Not sure.  You can get the ex
act same specs today by buying a new mini lathe and an extension.  For less
 than $600.  Maybe even get variable speed on the mini lathe.  The General  
is a good lathe.  But technology has changed a bit in the last 30 years.  I
 would love to have this General.  But you can get the same capabilities fo
r less today.  The $600 is probably based on the fact the lathe cost $1500+
 brand new 30 years ago.  The seller thinks its still worth 40% of retail b
ack then.  Probably true.  But retail prices of lathes has come down since  
then.  Maybe quality too compared to this fine Canadian General.

Re: blount vega oliver and more
On 2018-02-09 11:34 PM, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote:
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No,  it's a 4-speed. If it had the Reeves drive, there would be a lever  
on the front of the cabinet.
I'm faced with a similar problem regarding pricing. I have a 160 for  
sale. It is just the cast iron top on a custom base. I bought it that  
way and built the base as I'm too tall for the cabinet-type in this advert.
Apparently General used to age all the castings to allow stress relief  
before machining them. The quality of their table saws was legendary. I  
saw some ex-school shop ones in a local store recently for very  
reasonable prices but I have no room for one at the moment.
Graham

Re: blount vega oliver and more
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 06:46:37 -0700

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i saw on some vendor site future metal lathe parts
they season them outdoors for months and years before they finish
them and make them into lathes or mills etc

i doubt the stuff made in china is seasoned before they finish them









Re: blount vega oliver and more
On 2018-02-10 11:28 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
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They most probably re-heat the cast iron to relieve the stress in higher  
quality tools.
In the early days of Taiwanese imports, it paid to take a straight edge  
with you when buying, say, a table saw to check the flatness of the table.
These days the quality is much higher.


Re: blount vega oliver and more
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 12:55:52 -0700

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they do iterate and listen to the customer and over time they end up
making quality but it has taken them a while to learn

they are still learning but they go through iterations more quickly
now with cad designs and automation









Re: blount vega oliver and more
On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 7:46:40 AM UTC-6, graham wrote:
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UT, its still a 12" swing lathe.  Is 36" between centers.  Pulley speed cha
nges.  Maybe Reeves drive to get variable speed.  Not sure.  
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I hear you.  Your problem is even though your 160 is undoubtedly a fine lat
he, it really just isn't worth a whole lot today when compared to what you  
can buy brand new.  For what you want for the 160, its possible to buy a br
and new Chinese lathe with an extension bed and maybe variable speed and be
 able to do 120% of what the 160 can do.  Think of cars.  A fancy luxury ca
r from the 1970s is the same or maybe worse than a medium Camry, Accord etc
. today.  Camry and Accord are not luxury cars, but they probably have bett
er, more powerful motors and nicer interiors today than what the 1970s luxu
ry cars had.  Would you buy a 1972 Coupe de Ville for the same price you ca
n buy a new Camry?  Most likely not.  Unless you really want the pimp image
.





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Re: blount vega oliver and more
On 2018-02-10 3:35 PM, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote:
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I agree! My new lathe is a Nova Galaxi and although much more expensive  
than the 160, is far more versatile.
However, I know some top-class turners still using the 260, which is a  
bigger version of the 160 and used to grace the workshops of  
internationally known turners until the likes of Oneway and Robust came  
along.
Graham

Re: blount vega oliver and more
On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 4:50:11 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
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 BUT, its still a 12" swing lathe.  Is 36" between centers.  Pulley speed c
hanges.  Maybe Reeves drive to get variable speed.  Not sure.
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 lathe, it really just isn't worth a whole lot today when compared to what  
you can buy brand new.  For what you want for the 160, its possible to buy  
a brand new Chinese lathe with an extension bed and maybe variable speed an
d be able to do 120% of what the 160 can do.  
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The General 160 and 260 lathes are fine, fine lathes.  Just like the now no
n existent Powermatic 90 and Delta made one similar too.  3 HP with variabl
e speed I think.  Or maybe it was pulleys, not sure.  All fine 12" or 24" d
iameter lathes with 36" between centers.  Pretty much identical to Oneway l
athes today except Oneway is welded steel and not cast iron.  All fine and  
good.  But lathes have improved over the years.  Sliding head stocks are fa
r superior to the old time fixed head lathes.  You get a short and long bed
 lathe in one.  And you do not have to bend your body in half over the bed  
to hollow out a bowl.  Pain.

Re: blount vega oliver and more
On 2018-02-10 10:12 PM, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote:
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Although my Nova Galaxi has a sliding and swivelling headstock, I still  
adopt the old "fixed headstock" position from force of habit:-)
I now have a Hope System hollower with both laser and TV attachments and  
for deep hollow turning, a speciality of mine, the headstock has to be  
in the "fixed" position.
https://hopewoodturning.co.uk/jig-s/hollowing-jig/71/full-kit-hope-easy-camera-system?c=17

Graham

Re: blount vega oliver and more
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:50:09 -0700

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well having one too many lathes is not the worst problem to have

maybe you can donate it to a local maker space

some schools still have woodshops too and believe it or not they may be
happy to have it








Re: blount vega oliver and more
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 14:35:58 -0800 (PST)

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i get it and not disagreeing with your point  

one thing about using a vintage car as a daily driver is that safety
was not as well baked in to cars then as it is now

crumple zones come to mind first

but the air bags and abs etc

lathes are as safe as the operator










Re: blount vega oliver and more
On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 4:18:01 PM UTC-6, Electric Comet wrote:
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I wasn't even thinking about the safety differences between the Eldorado an
d the Camry, Accord.  Just the quality aspects.  You're right the safety as
pect is there.  Even though the Eldorado probably weighed one ton more, it  
probably fared much worse in any safety test crashes.

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