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What sort of turn around time is normal with Penn State orders?
I'm not making a complaint, just an impatient question.

I ordered a set of chisels (the 8 piece HSS set) about a week ago
and they don't seem to have shipped yet.  I've gotten pretty spoiled
with Amazon and the like and wanted to know how far to adjust my
time expectations.

It doesn't seem so long ago that the standard for mail order
turn-around was 6-8 weeks, and here I'm getting restless after 7
days.  sigh.

But, but, but, . . . the garage is above freezing and the lathe
still hasn't been used yet (just fondled occasionally over the last
3 months).  I want to damage some wood soon!

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Re: Penn State Turn Around Time?
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:10:02 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@furrfu.invalid (Drew Lawson) wrote:

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You have to be careful with PSI and make sure that any of your items don't have
an "OUT OF STOCK" flag on them..
They'll hold up an entire shipment if 1 item is out and stock and expected
soon..

I'm in Mexico and usually get orders from them in a week or so, if all items are
available..


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Hello Drew,
I ordered some slimline penkits and some pen blanks on 15 Feb (Fri)
and received them on 20 Feb.(Wed).  One thing that can happen is if
the products you ordered are not in stock, there will certainly be a
delay in shipping.  I am currently waiting for some items from
Packard.  Usually when I order online, I receive 2 emails within 24
hours.  One informing me of my order and a second email with a
tracking number.  When I did not receive the 2d email from Packard, I
called a day or two later and was told the products had been on
backorder but were going out that day.  Today I come in and check
email and the goodies are in town and 'out for delivery'.

FYI, if you have ANY smidgen of a desire to order from Steebar,
refrain.  Why, see my email of March 3rd on this group.


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Re: Penn State Turn Around Time?
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:10:02 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@furrfu.invalid (Drew Lawson)
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Chill out.  Start wondering AFTER 3 weeks.

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I have had great luck with PS, and if you have a question, just call.
I call to make sure the order is shipped and that they didn't have
faulty stock information on the computer when they took my order.

They can usually tell you exactly where in are in the process.

Robert


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Patience?  That's so 20th century.

As it turns out, I have more than enough on the to-do list for this
weekend that I probably wouldn't have found (much) time for the
lathe.  And my chisel honing guide just came from Lee Valley.  Given
my skill level and the condition of my abused blades (bench chisels
shouldn't look serrated?), that should keep me busy for a bit.

I just wish their site had an *order* tracking page rather than
a shipment tracking page.  That would let me fidget without bothering
whoever is answering their phones.

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Especially if you try to hone the mess away!  Could take days.

It's a great item, BTW.  I leave it set and tune up chisels when I'm  
mortising, for example,  if they seem to be losing it.  


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I could have sworn that I picked up a course stone along with the
waterstone set that I've been ignoring, but I don't see it (at least
where it should be).  Starting at 800 would probably tell me how
patient I can be.

Or I could wander by Woodcraft tomorrow.  One more punch and my
discount card is full.  (That could be dangerous.)

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Then again, sometimes systems just burp and lose the shipping email.
The chisels were waiting on my doorstep when I got home.

Now, what was I saying about a to-do list an not having time?
Can't quite recall.

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     snipped-for-privacy@furrfu.invalid (Drew Lawson) writes:
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Couldn't resist.  Used the chisels straight from the shipping box
(setting up the jig on the grinder is one of the to-do items).
Turned a square thing into a round thing with some hideous beads.
The tearout was terrible, but it was a lot of fun.

Now I need to resume my reading to tell me how I should have been
doing what I tried.

And my shoulders say that I need to adjust the height of the lathe.
But then, a little knowing what I'm doing might reduce the clenched
muscles as well.

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Re: Penn State Turn Around Time?
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:49:47 +0000 (UTC), snipped-for-privacy@furrfu.invalid (Drew Lawson)
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Drew.. Depends some on your height, assuming that the lathe is about "standard"
height...

I'm about 6', I guess, used to be 6' 2" before gravity took hold.. *g*

I raised my lathe about 2" and like it there..

Other factors can be tool rest height and the angle that the chisel is
contacting the wood at...

Sharp tools, which you'll have soon, and a light touch take a lot of the stress
and tension out of turning and with a little experience you'll find that a death
grip on the handle isn't needed...

I always suggest that before you "make" something on the lathe, play with it..
Throw a 2x2" or something between centers and make shavings...  
Get a feel for the tools and what they can and can't do..

If I had it to do over again, I would get books/DVD's/whatever and learn the
basics correctly... Being self taught, I had a lot of re-learning to do when I
finally got a few DVD's and lots of advice from this group..

Wear eye protection, avoid excess dust and most of all, relax and have fun..


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It's a Jet mini currently on a workmate clone.  I'll build a stand
after I get the height figured out (and get the to-do list shortened).
I *think* it is centered around elbow height, but I need to double
check.

One issue is that I'm figuring out the position and distance.  I
started out thinking that things were beyond my "need reading
glasses" range.  Later, when I grabbed those, I think I unclenched
a little.

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That's something that I was noticing made a big difference, while
trying to remember where people said that they set things.

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I kept trying to remind myself of that.  It's a tough habit to
unlearn.  Back in school, I was one of those who held pencils so
tightly that I got calluses.

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That's what I'm trying.  I don't think I could quite handle ruining
something at this point in the process.  It might discourage getting
back on that horse.

My main interest is bowls, but I'm starting with centers work.
Among other things, that way I'm less worried about things coming
loose.

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I need to make a Woodcraft run this weekend, and I'll probably look
at what they have for DVDs onhand.  I've already watched some youtube
clips that someone (Charlie?) recently posted to rec.woodworking,
and I realized that the visuals helped a lot on angles and motions.
Time for another wander through Darrell's site as well.

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Face shield, check.  Fun, check.  Working on that "relax" thing.
I have a mental note made for dust, but figure it'll wait until I
have something worth sanding (or harder wood that I've tried yet).


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Re: Penn State Turn Around Time?
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:18:59 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@furrfu.invalid (Drew Lawson) wrote:


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Ok.. when I was using the mini on my workmate, it was way too low... I put it on
a couple of 4x4's and it seemed about right..

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Could be.. my glasses are for distance, but I think my brother wears his reading
glasses when he turns...
If you haven't got a pair, they sell "over the glasses" safety glasses..
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I think most folks set their tool rest lower than they need to, which makes the
turning position uncomfortable to all but the vertically challenged..
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And you're taught to hold on to stuff because it could get ripped out of your
hand, or something...
On the lathe, assuming proper tool rest use, the force is keeping the tool ON
the rest, not prying it off..

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Good for you!
I've taught several people including 3 of my kids, and very few will PLAY to
learn... They all want to turn a bowl or candle stick the first time...
Anyone ever build a nice china cabinet as their first woodworking try?

When you play, you relax, which is important training.. and you try things that
you'd not do if it was expensive wood...

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I pretty much started with face plate turning and it was a big mistake.. I wish
I would have known that at the time..

To do bowls, goblets, etc., you need to have spindle turning skills..

I also suggest that folks starting out consider doing pens...
As a "bowl turner", I refused to consider pens until my wife bought me so much
pen turning stuff one Valentine's Day that I had to do some..

Lots of bandsaw, drill press and bench work before turning, 10 minutes of
turning, lots of sanding and finishing, then assembly.. Freaking boring..
WRONG..
I not only enjoyed the experience, but now pens have become my most common
sale..

The important thing for me, though, was that pens MADE me pay attention to sharp
tools, light cuts, LOTS of sanding, etc...  
I was amazed at how much better my bowl turning was after 20 or 40 pens!
(they're like popcorn)

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Not an ad, but I would really recommend Bill Grumbine's Basic Bowl Turning DVD..
It's inexpensive and I wish I had found something like that 20 years ago...
Hell, I watched a little of the DVD and found that I had been holding the chisel
wrong for years!
If they don't have it at Woodcraft, you can get it from Bill:
http://www.wonderfulwood.com/
( under Video)



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When I checked, it turned out that I had it lower than I believed.
I pulled it up about 1.5", but I haven't had a chance to run it at
that height.  (I'm supposed to be building a closet.)

Funny thing about elbows, they move around and don't always cooperate
with measuring.


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I was thinking that I wouldn't be interested because they are so
small.  But when the chisels showed up, the only thing I could find
to mount quickly ended up about 1" when round.  After trying some
things on that, small didn't seem like such a bad thing.


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I saw that one, but before you posted.  Maybe next trip.  I picked
up two Raffan DVDs -- Wood Turning and Turning Projects.  I watched
the first one (which he kept calling a "tape") mostly straight
through.  I kept flipping between delight at what he was doing and
horror that he was turning that *entire* chunk of wood into shavings
and a throw away nub.

I definitely need to track down better (larger) sources of wood
than the occasional random rode-side discovery.

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Re: Penn State Turn Around Time?
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:35:02 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@furrfu.invalid (Drew Lawson) wrote:

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Well, ya need closet rods, right?
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Yep.. I sure wish I'd of paid attention to my mom, all those years that she
nagged me about standing up straight..
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No, and they, like most things on a lathe, make great gifts...
"Buy a lathe, never buy another gift"
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I find that with Bill's DVD's, (I have the basic and advanced bowl ones), I like
to keep it handy for reference, kind of like flipping to a section in a book to
look at a "how to" picture..
I pulled the 13" TV/DVD player out of the RV and use it on a shelf over the work
bench.. Same with the sharpening DVD from the AAW...

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You have to practice, and it isn't the same on plastic.. ;-]
What I really like about DVD's is the "freeze frame" thing.. I'll be thinking
something like "that's an impossible cut, how the hell did he do that?" and go
back frame by frame and watch his chisel position, hands, direction the shavings
are going, etc..

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Don't know what area you're in?

When I lived in California, we had access to mostly pine, but in big
qualities... For $60 a year you can harvest up to 6 cords of fallen wood in the
national parks..
Here in Baja, wood is hard to come by and green wood impossible..

You'll find that after you've given a few folks gifts and the word spreads that
you're a turner, folks will show up at your shop with wood or news of trees
being cut down..
When someone brings wood, I make sure that they get a gift of one of the things
that I made out of "their" wood...
You'd be amazed at how far that little courtesy goes towards they and their
friends bringing more wood..

I'm living in the middle of a desert and have probably a years worth of wood
stockpiled, mostly from folks bringing wood from the States when they come
down..


mac

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I'm getting to that point as well (46, but the joints are about a
decade past that).  And, given the desk job, I wish I were more
comfortable sitting up straight.

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Kept telling myself that.  With a large woodpile, I'm sure it will
feel better.

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Dayton, Ohio (right next door, really).

One complication at the moment is that we are right by a county
line, but the next county is under an Emerald Ash Borer quarentene.
So it's illegal to bring the wood from there in.  Still, where I
actually live is fair game.  Spring has thawed and there is bound
to be some cutting going on somewhere.

I have a small stack of sycamore that apparently was blocking a
bike trail.  Some of it was clearly dead before it fell, but I think
some of it is solid.  And there is a small load of large pieces of
(I think) honey locust (from the side of a highway) that apparently
were left behind as too large for the fireplace.

That reminds me.  I need to add "sharpen chainsaw" to the task list.

I haven't yet checked on the suggestion from Darrell's site about
calling a tree service and buying a load of green wood.  If I can
do that, then I'll worry less about practicing on a small woodpile.

For now, I grabbed some poplar 2x2s while I was getting framing
lumber.  At least it is a known quantity.

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:47:59 +0000 (UTC), snipped-for-privacy@furrfu.invalid (Drew Lawson)
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ahh... Shopsmith country!
(or, it was in 1980 when I bought mine)
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Two good sources for me when I lived in the States were the city and county
maintenance services..  
I started out by following them around and asking for tree pieces before they
chipped them up and after a while they were calling me if they were going out to
take down or haul away a tree..
Again, a gift or 2, in this case pens, goes a long way..


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Building's still there, but looked to be for lease last time I saw.
I've been wondering what the story is, since their domain registration
still has that address but their website is very careful to not
show a mailing address.  I haven't been curious enough to actually
pull off the highway and look for signs of life.

My Dad has a shopsmith, bought somewhere around 1978.  Having that
in the garage (though I never used it) was my intro to the idea
that this woodshop stuff could also be done at home.

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 From their "Contact" web site:

Order by Mail:
Shopsmith Inc.
Attn: Order Department
6530 Poe Ave.
Dayton, Ohio 45414-2591

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Could have sworn that page had no address.  Oops.
I guess the lease signs were for excess space.  Good to know they're
still up and running.  I don't have one of their machines, but have
some emotional attachment anyway.

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