I own a tool manufacturing business (& my English is not great) and I sell tools to make a living for my family. So I am commercial. "BUT" if you need genuine help or advise on woodturning, my 30 yrs at the lathe may be of help to you. I will try to answer any question if it is in my capability to do so.
So to the child like minds that cant see past the (Spam) is that English?? I am sorry, but it might help you to be more informed regarding what's happening in tool design and product support to look and ask questions from successful manufacturers like us. We wouldn't be in business 16yrs if we weren't doing something right.
No matter what you say you are always a spammer because of what you have done to people who thought you were friendly. like Gorgi remember him. PISS OFF
----- Original Message ----- From: "Woodcut tools 2000 Ltd sales" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.woodturning Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:09 AM Subject: Product help v's spam
Ken I, for one, value your insights and your tools. Keep them coming. By the way, for others who diagree, no problem, but could we keep it polite? Thanks.
I will be polite when SPAMMER Ken admits that while acting as an agent for Unijig He STOLE the design and started to sell his own, Ken the Spammer is not trustworthy and as such does not deserve me to be polite to him.
Ken does not have an original thought he steals others.
Perhaps it would be best for you to be impolite directly to Port as this forum is for and about woodturning. To air a personal problem between you two is not appropriate for this ng and probably of little interest to most. At worst it's divisive.
I assume you are interested in the craft since you posted to rcw, and I'm sure all here would welcome informative input about woodturning from you. Lighten up and join in, you'll live longer and happier.
My mother always told me that if I didn't have something good to say, to say nothing.
I'm saying to you: it would be good to say nothing. I don't think most of us want to hear your personal gripes. And, if I'm not mistaken, this is not the first time you have unleashed a tirade against this person.
Funny, your English has never been a problem before. I thought that was standard fare down in NZ. You do speak it kinda funny though. Course, you might say the same about me! So if not English, what is your native tongue?
The charter of this group specifically allows on-topic commercial posts bi-weekly (every other week anyway- I think that's what we call bi-weekly. I always get it mixed up with twice a week.) Anyway, that was specifically done so that the r.c.w denizens could keep abreast of new tool developments and sources. You're more than welcome to post polite adverts here, on that schedule. As long as they are w/in the approved time frame and format (text - no photos) then I'll defend your right to do so.
I have to take exception however to the unprovoked slam on folks here, accusing them of having 'child like minds'. Obviously you don't mean all of us, but to come out swinging like that just smacks of flame bait.
If a vendor, whether on the internet or in person, has an attitude, I walk. Life's too short and there's always other options. If one wants my business it takes more than a good product. I expect to be treated with respect, and I expect to see others treated with respect. It's up to you how you want to present yourself, but you'll catch more bees with honey than vinegar.
There's plenty of folks here that need genuine help (or they wouldn't be posting!) so feel free to chime in anytime with answers. The more you participate in a non-commercial manner, the less likely folks will take offense at your commercial posts. Some you'll never win over. That's life. Others may become loyal customers. I think of many of the folks that have been posting here over the years as "good friends that I've never met". Most people will probably fall into that group, and you know, that's not a bad thing at all...
I am being polite to the rest, not to warn you of a person who can not be trusted is being rude. After all for Evil will trimph if good men do nothing. Put youself in Gorgi's place he does all the development work "Gives" the New Zealand distrabution to ken only to see a "FRIEND" steal the idea and produce it himself. As for the unsigned post it is unimportant for you to know who I am but I an sure ken can work out which one of Gorgi's friends I am. Gorgi' True Friend.
As for Punctuation-Boy...grow up and get over yourself. Life __is__ too short. I have a feeling you're working yourself into a lot of spam filters yourself. Recognize this sound?
Its impossible for me to defend myself against these accusations because the person will not state his name and address as he may come against court litigation for the defamatory remarks. I have the right to communicate through this forum without this sort of nonsense. Regarding the Unijig the original idea belonged to Gerry Glaser from LA and my innovative improvements now carry a valid USA Patent & a current NZ Patent application, so who's stolen what?? Lets face it the best product always wins anyway.
I wondered about the patents after checking both sites and only seeing a mention of them on your site. I did see an "A" name on the Unijig site, but since the other poster won't give a name, or valid e-mail addy, it's a bit hard to give him much credence. Saying that we have no "need to know" who he is shows a level of moral cowardice that is insulting. If he's telling the truth, he has nothing to fear in court, if he is lying, he should slink off.
Dave, I am not lying, Ken has admitted the facts he has also seen Unijig 1 to 4, The patents were applied for here in AUS but the cost of doing so here and the projected income from sales made it prohibitive. Ken has enough information to deduce who I am so if he wants to bring a law suite go ahead ken, if you can't quite work out who I am ask Gorgi who defends him the most.
The reason I don't use my real name on USENET is once bitten twice shy, there are many cooks out there who have used my details and it has cost me dearly in $$$ and time to recover my identity The Australian Patent was pending and if needed I can post the application number which preceeds ken by many years and he knows this, ken is not to be trusted.
The name >> Its impossible for me to defend myself against these accusations >
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