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Have any of you tried any of the self patterning yarn with crochet?
I'm thinking the self striping will work OK but the 'fair isle' will be
disappointing.
Shana


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Self patterning/striping yarn is dyed in certain lengths of color by
computer control. The striping/patterning effect is controlled by the gauge
used while executing the garment.
DA



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Can somebody please tell me in waht way this threads differ from any
`normal` Varigated thread ?????
mirjam

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Self patterning yarn is usually for socks or mittens.  It is usually of
two types - self striping or a random fair isle effect (or a
combination).  See link for example, NAYY.  Normal varigated yarn won't
give the same effect.  for self striping yarn, you get the effect of
stripes without having to change yarn. For the fair isle effect, most
of the color lengths are only one knitting stitch long.  My question
was more about the fair isle type  --- since even a single crochet
stitch uses much more yarn than a single knit or purl stitch, I was
curious about the effect.

http://www.halcyonyarn.com/Yarn_pages/yarn034.html

Shana


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Self patterning/striping yarn is dyed in certain lengths of color by
computer control. The striping/patterning effect is controlled by the gauge
used while executing the garment.  If you measure the lengths of each color
in Noro yarns, you will find that the length of each color  is roughly the
same throughout the skein.  If there are 3 colors green, blue and purple
each 15 inches long, then at 5 sts to the inch you will have 3 inches of
each color when knit. Each color will repeat every 3 inches in pattern as
long as you are using that skein of yarn. When designing a garment it is
possible to approximate where and how these blocks of color will be placed
as determined by stitch and row gauge.

DA



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Thank you DA , but any varigated wool has the same thing , Lenghts of
colors are the same and their appearance in the knitting is a result
of the number and size of the stiches you knit /crochet .. Every time
i knit with any varigated wool i can easily tell you how many stiches
will be in which color after i swatch for gauguing . I used this to
determine how big to knit the squares of my intrelac sweater , so that
each squre will have the same striping order . There is alos a
difference in how you knit either to and bback or in the round
Thus i still don`t see why one is called varigated and one is called
self striping , maybe it was just a Selling name ...
mirjam


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    MBC> Thus i still don`t see why one is called varigated and
    MBC> one is called self striping , maybe it was just a Selling
    MBC> name ...

Because the self-striping yarn is designed to produce a particular
pattern when you knit socks with it.  Variegated yarn is not
necessarily designed with striped socks in mind.

"Variegated" means that the yarn has at least two different colors in
it.  "Self-striping" means that the yarn is variegated *and* that the
lengths of the colors are calculated to produce a particular pattern
in the socks you knit with it.

It's not just a selling name; there's a difference that's important,
at least to those of us who knit socks.

Charlton


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It seems strange as if insttead of making your own pattern you knit By
order as if painting bu numbers ?????
mirjam
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Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:
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Yes, but they are VERY popular right now!  My MIL has knit a lot for
every family member, and we all wear them.  BTW, MIL is 94 years and
still knits socks every day on 2.5 mm needles!  Amazing.

Roger.

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Mirjam, I love that type of yarn, especially for socks.  I would never have
the patience to make up those stripes and other patterns without that type
of yarn.... maybe I'm lazy, but I enjoy watching the patterns form and
knowing how easy it was to do! ;>D

Shelagh

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    MBC> It seems strange as if insttead of making your own pattern
    MBC> you knit By order as if painting bu numbers ?????  

It's a different sort of intent.  I've done colorwork on socks before,
and it's a pain to work with multiple colors of yarn at that small a
scale.  Working with self-striping yarns produces an interesting
colored sock without all that complicated effort.  

There's a place for complicated and involved knitting, and there's a
place for simple knitting where the most complicated thing you have to
do is count rounds.

Charlton


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That was my point any Multu colored wool will do it for me , just
knitting and some wonderful color arrangements just HAPPEN
mirjam
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Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:

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Here is an example of self patterning yarn.

http://www.yarnforward.com/fantasy.html

Roger.

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thank you Roger ,,
mirjam

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    M> Can somebody please tell me in waht way this threads differ
    M> from any `normal` Varigated thread ?????  

It's a special kind of variegated yarn -- the lengths of the bits of
color are chosen carefully to make a particular kind of stripe
pattern.  Right now I'm using a self-patterning yarn to make a pair of
socks -- I get stripes of green, yellow, and blue, alternating with
stripes of grey and white checks.

Some variegated yarns are just designed with a few colors that go well
together, without any particular pattern as a goal.  Those can produce
beautiful results as well, but it's not the same sort of beautiful
results.

Charlton


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Cahrlton Any varigate wool can be manipulated to make any ppattern you
want , but Alas i usually just like the surprise that happens on it`s
own ,,,
mirjam

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I hear crochet uses up something like 3 times as much yarn per stitch as
knitting does.  If that is true, then the self-patterning color segments
will make one third as many stitches in crochet work.  If the segments
are short, the colors will change very quickly.  I think some of the
self-patterning sock yarns would have one stitch per color in crochet.
As long as you like the effect, it could work, but it won't look like
Fairisle (but I don't think it looks much like Fairisle anyway).

=Tamar

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Some--the Fair Isle type--will have more than one color per stitch in
crochet, because they have one color per stitch in knitting on #2(US)
needles.

Georgia

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I think I need to reword this.  Have any of you tried making an afghan
or throw with this yarn?  Or even granny squares?
Shana


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I have done granny squares, and they are OK.

Higs,
Katherine



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