The ongoing story of knitting sheaths for Aaron and Noreen

Noreen and Aaron, you two got me doing research on the knitting stick (breischede in Dutch). It is a very interesting topic, and one that was studied while I was still in school in the early fifties.

I found one great article about these sticks in an old Dutch magazine that is no longer published. I have scanned it if either one of you want it just for the pictures, because the text is Dutch. An extended search on the Internet, using the Dutch term breischede got me all kinds of great information, but sometimes-conflicting explanations. I seem to remember that we were taught during my textile training years, that it was a tool used by shepherds, while they were tending their sheep. With one of the knitting needles held firmly in the knitting stick, the shepherd could let go of the knitting if he needed both hands to tend to his flock, or scratch his noose etc.

Via references on the Internet, I found another great article in another magazine I have on my bookshelf. Here they talk more about the practical size of the tool while on the Internet, they talk about protection from the sharp point of the needles (like you do Aaron). However both state that since the needles used at that time were short, it added length to the needles. The needles shown in an old picture that goes with the article, are the same needles my mother used. They are short and made of steel, but never that sharp that you were going to get hurt with them.

The knitting stick was tucked inside the shepherd, fisherman, and farmer¹s belt or tied to his waist with a rope. They were made of wood, copper, tin, bone, ivory, silver, leather and even gold. The average size is about 20 cm. At one end there is a tiny hole of about 2 cm deep, to put your knitting needle in. They were straight, or sometimes curved, or even with a hooked shape. They are all elaborately carved and decorated. I would say of the ones I have seen in the pictures, that they are all pieces of art. The men tucked this tool inside their belt, or sometimes they made a hole in the stick to pull their belt through. They often had this stick sitting on a slant or in a vertical position. Women on the other hand seemed to have had it laying more horizontal, either tucked under their arm, or in the apron band. While writing the last sentence, I realize that that is why my mother and Otto¹s mother tucked their knitting needles under one arm; a continuation of the knitting stick tucked under the arm. Some of the sticks would have a ring attached to them with a short chain, to attach to the clothing. A hook carved into the wood was to hang your yarn onto. It would make it easier to carry your ball of yarn around as well as have your hands free, if you were walking or standing about.

The practical purpose of this tool was to be able to put your knitting needle into this stick, and have one hand, or both hands free if needed. It gave stability to the work you were knitting, and also extended the size of the short knitting needles. Here comes to good part Aaron and Noreen, the other reason for using the stick was that the knitting could be done faster. More socks, caps, shawls and socking knitted the more money was earned

It also stated in the article that for hundreds of year¹s poorer folks, including the children did the knitting for the richer folks. It was often done while walking or doing other daily tasks. There is not all that much written on how everyone did the technical part of the knitting, and if that was done the same everywhere (England, Holland, and Scotland), however there have been knitting sticks found in England and Scotland, as well as the Netherlands. In paintings of knitting persons it is hard to see if there are knitting sticks used because the stick sort of tucks in under the arm, and can¹t be seen.

There you go. Aaron in the one article, they showed a leather one with a belt attached on either side, so you can put it around your waist. They are still in use on the Shetland Islands. There are also very good photographs of a woman in Staphorts (Holland) using a silver one attached to her apron band with a small chain and safety pin, so if the knitting tube comes away from under her apron belt, it will not fall to the floor, but stays with her. When you look at that one, it looks very much like the little tubes you get sometimes with one flower in it. It is flared at the top. Aaron, much better there is wooden model you can make yourself. I will scan it and I can sent it to you

Ok you two, keep on knitting away, but do remember that there must be an element of joy and fun in it as well never mind the speed. Live goes fast enough as it is.

PS here is a website, that will sell replicas of the ones they have in their museum. The look similar to some of the Dutch ones.

the second website is the Dutch one, with a picture of a woman in the north of Holland knitting with a Breischei. It is very hard to see, but it is tucked in under her right arm with the fourth knitting needle pushed inside it. She lived in Moddergat (that translates into mudhole LOL) I have been there and the little houses sit right behind the seadike, overlooking the Waddezee. It is a tiny fisherman's village, where life was hard, and also death at sea alway close at hand.

Enoug for one night and it is all your fault guys, you got me going on this

Goodnight

Els

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Els, this was marvellous. Thank you so much for posting the descriptions and the links. I really enjoyed reading all of this.

--Threnody

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At this point, I must take a giant step backwards and speculate that knitting sheaths were really at least 3 technologies that we have lumped together because we do not understand how they really worked.

There is the "Channel" technology that used very long flexible needles. There is the Scotch/Dutch technology that used shorter needles.

There were long straight knitting sheaths. Many with a hook for supporting the weight of the knitted fabric. There were crescent shaped knitting sheaths. There were also bundles of straw or feathers that were tied together and inserted into the apron strings. A DPN inserted into the bundle is loosely supported. This only works for fairly short needles. There is the Shetland leather and horse hair knitting pouch.

There is the Yorkshire Dale technology where highly trained knitters rocked foreword and backwards. (The alternate contraction of the abdominals and lattisimus dorsi muscles causes a needle tightly bound to the waist to move in a flat left-right arc i.e., in and out of stitches.) I have figured out the motion, but not how to use it.)

And, there is the use of knitting sheaths to support the work during interruptions.

I do not think that it was a mix and match deal. I think there were definite systems and knitters selected the system that met their needs.

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Fun to get into the historical aspects of knitting.

Els

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Els, thank you SO much for this site. I grew up just a few miles from there, but in my day the whole area was coal mining, shipbuilding and heavy industry, plus some farming. As the coal mines and the steel mills etc closed down, the area went to tourism and leisure to provide work for the locals. I had heard from family of this museum which was started after I came to the U.S., but I had no idea it was that good. I have bookmarked the site, and DH and I will be spending time exploring it once I get my WiFi sorted out.

Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.

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I love Textile histroy and adventures, that is how I got to this website, with my nose on the ground, sniffing out a good story. I lovethis website as well. It is great to have replicas for sale of the old items. Are you going to buy one of them.

Do you miss living in England.

Els

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Els van Dam

Very Interesting!! So many knitting sheaths, but not the knitting needles that were used with them! Why? No needle gauges?(OK, she only had one set of needles.) No crochet hooks? (If you are knitting with a sheath, you NEED a crochet hook to pickup dropped stitches.) No darning needles or eggs? No scissors or clippers? No sewing thimbles? What else is missing from this collection?

Aaron

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It is great to have replicas for sale of the old items. Are you

Nope! Those things are in the museum because by the time I arrived in this world they were considered appallingly old-fashioned and no-one used them anymore. I was taught to knit with 14 inch straight needles, with the right hand one tucked firmly in my right armpit for both speed and stability. I can work up quite a speed that way, too. Later, I learned "continental" knitting, with the needles held low in my lap and the yarn in my left hand. When I came to use circular needles I found that was the only way I could handle them. Just as an aside, it was also a very frugal society, where you used what you had; thus, I still use ordinary department store aluminum needles for larger sizes, and steel ones for the finer sizes, and I have obtained some of my best ones from estate sales. If someone were to give me some bamboo or rosewood or blackthorn or whathaveyou needles I wouldn't turn them down, but I'm sure not going to spend good money on them.

Not really, because DH and I got married one Saturday and flew to Montreal the next, so basically my entire adult life has been on this continent. I have been a proud American citizen for 30 years now, and make sure I vote in every election.

Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.

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Olwyn Mary , my Oma [ praternal GM] knitted with either long needles , one tucked firmly under her right arm , come to think of it , my mother knitted at times [ years ago , later she changed it] with one needletucked under her left arm. Later all her needles became smaller , shoter lighter. Lately i recieved some Old knitting collection , all are rather short , rather light i would say some sort of Aluminium ... they have been used for over 60 years by a very good knitter [ most her clothes on 3 mm ]. Never in their lives would any of my Knitting relatives mention TIME it took them. They Knitted Because it was a Way of life. They were used to make their own clothes like that. None of them had sheaths or all those Other thingies that Aaron thinks are so important .. All had Knitting needles Wool[s], scissors , a measure tape and some piles of old copybooks, in which they wrote down , the measurements and gaugues of their projects. And they made beautiful Useful things. mirjam

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Els

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In article , snipped-for-privacy@actcom.co.il (Mirjam Bruck-Cohen) wrote:

Mirjam, I think you are correct that knitting within family life for family members was done without time limits, (well most of the time, I know that my kids would tell Oma to hurry up and finish their sweaters, before she would depart for Holland again) But in all fairness to Aaron, he is talking about the cottage knitting industry some 400 to 300 years ago, where whole families were knitting to earn a living. I think when I read Aaron's posts that at this time he is trying to reproduce, the kind of knitting that group did, techniques as well as the knitting it self. To me it sounds like a historical journey. It is a bit of reliving how it was. Sheaths, indeed are not used anymore, I do think though that tucking your long knitting needles under your arm, like my mother and Otto's mother did, came straight from using a sheath. Many things, ideas and techniques get discarded when we go along in time, but we do rediscover and try them on for size. Sometimes just because we are curious about times past and sometimes because it makes good sense, to bring it back. Sometime we rebuild and retry because we are just in awe on how things were done long ago, with so little mechanical tools and so much muscle power. It all makes good sense withing the time frames it was done. In our times (including our grandmothers and mothers times) the knitting was divided into factory knitting, a very small % of cottage knitting industry, that would include machine knitting as well as hand knitting) and a very large group of recreational knitting within the family. The last group we all belong to and some of us, fit into the second group as well. It is just a matter of how you look at it

Els I for one love wandering along historical trails.

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