My Stupid Pot Melt Fire

How smart can I be? I had this one of 3 of my kilns, sitting on a wooden dolly, so I could wheel it around when I needed to. The bottom has always been perfectly cool to the touch, but this kiln is 3 stacked octagon rings of firebrick. I had a little free time so I tried a stupid pot melt. It worked out OK but it was way too dense in color. I was told to use mostly clear, so the next time I used some clear scrap, not fuseable clear. The temp needed to get it to flow was much higher, so I eventually went to almost 2000 degrees to get it to drip out the bottom hole of the pot. I peeked in, and it looked OK, so I shut it off. It eventually cooled way down under 1000 and all was well so I went home. I got a call from the police about 2 hours later saying there was a fire at my shop. When I got there the firemen had finshed and were packing up. There was no real fire just smoke. From examining the leftover parts I figured out what happened. The molten glass dripped down on the botton of the kiln floor onto fiber blanket. It was so hot that the intense heat kind of seeped through the firebrick rings and so dried up the wood of the dolly, that it was kind of like tinder waiting to go off. When I left it must have been almost ready to smolder, but not quite. 99% of the damage was caused from the firemen doing their jobs. The dolly was smoldered into ash on one side, and surprisingly the kiln looks like it may be still OK. In the future I'll prop it up on cinderblock probably, and keep it clear of anything burnable. I had it surrounded with drywall and some sheet metal, but that one weak link did me in. Keep in mind that I've been using this system like this here for 6 years with no issues.

JKSinrod

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Glassman
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You have been slowly drying the wood out for 6 years. There is a rectangular"pad" used under wood burning stoves, (you have those in the metropolitan urban area?). That is what is under my kilns, they are 6 inches away from the walls in my kiln room, the walls are covered 4 feet up with "transite", same stuff the glass companies use on the top of their rolling tables. If I didn't have that, I would stay 18" minimum from the walls.

You are just operating at higher temps than you are used to operating at. Does the city send you a bill for the fire run? They do here.

Reply to
Javahut

Kim, I don't think you should be trusted with anything that gets hot. Ya know...Rosy Greer used to do needlepoint.....

Andy

Reply to
neoglassic

If you haven't looked yet, I think you will find the glass dissolved the blanket and was kept hot by the insulating features of the blanket, increasing the risk.

Reply to
Mike Firth

Ah... now we finally can understand why I pay over $10,000 in taxes for my little shop, and you pay next to nothing. We have running water, sewers, great schools, fire, police, buses, subways, you name it..... Is it worth it? No.

Reply to
JKSinrod

My wife took away my matches and magnifting glass too.

Reply to
JKSinrod

Do you suppose we could get her to confiscate Brady's keyboard?

Reply to
Moonraker

Ok funny guy, we have all those things too, just don't have to share them with so many people, well, no subway, and only one bus, but then my taxes for the business were $120 for the year, (I rent the bldg, for now) and the insurance pays the fire dept. bill.

Reply to
Javahut

hmmm interesting.... what should I have used that would be better?

Reply to
Glassman

Putting a kiln shelf on the frax is the most common solution. Using blanket on the sides and top and insulating castable and or brick on the bottom is another.

Reply to
Mike Firth

I think there is a misconception on someone's part, maybe it's mine?

The fiber blanket that the glass ran on was inside the kiln. "Using castable and brick on the bottom" you are talking outside the kiln correct?

What should you have done? Use the "saucer" for the clay pots with a shelf primer on it, the lip keeps the glass in a puddle and it cools faster with out anything(fiber) other than the kiln temp keeping it hot, it comes down as the kiln does.

Could have used fiber to create a ring on a heavily primered kiln shelf, the ring contains the glass, the shelf keeps it off the floor.

But most important, put brick of any kind under that kiln to hold it off the floor, and put a heat barrier under the brick, like those used for wood stoves. Works great in my wood frame building, has for nearly 20 years.

Reply to
Javahut

I've wound up with cracked mullite shelves by setting them directly on fiber.

Reply to
nJb

I have stainless steel rings that I use if the melt would run over the shelf. Line them with 1/8" fiber.

I weigh all of my melts to calculate the free size or the dammed thickness. I also use a bullseye level on the shelf before each firing. My kiln sets on a tripod stand with adjustable legs.

Reply to
nJb

OK, fill me, and others if you would be so kind, in on the weight conversion for my 20" shelf. How do I know how much weight in the pot, makes how large a disc?

Went to Michaels Crafts and got some pots, fresh from Germany, little 6" jobbers and some larger saucers, but I just guessed at the sizes. How do I know what fits what? Sounds like a "try it" to me.

Reply to
Javahut

3 lbs makes about a 12" circle.
Reply to
Glassman

Like Glassman said, 3 lbs for a 12" circle. I work in grams. 1100 for a free pour 1/4" thick. 550g for each additional 1/8" inch. Be sure to dam over 1/4" thick.

I buy my pots at the Home Despot. Made in Italy, last well. I've heard the Mexican pot doesn't hold up well.

For big melts I look for bulb pots. Big diameter without the added height.

Experiment with your whole size and shape and drop height.

I usually drop onto 1/32" Unifrax.

If you're not thrilled with the outcome, nona fretta. You can grind off the top layers and usually find some good color with sharper lines.

Reply to
nJb

Size??

Ya know, I better go take a look at that web page and read up on this. I might have some free kiln time at the end of May sometime and it looks like fun.... firemen, smoke, insurancve agents, arson squad... could be interesting

Reply to
Javahut

6x6

10x6
Reply to
nJb

So much fun that I'm ready to do it again! But then again I'm from Brooklyn, and used to living dangerously. Pot size doesn't really matter. Cut up about 3 lbs of scrappolla in long skinny strips, and you'll see what size container it will fit in. Crank it up, let it drip, and you'll be hooked. Of course what to do with the results is the real question.

Reply to
Glassman

Don't get hooked on just long skinny strips. The size and shape and how it is placed in the pot are also important variables.

What to do with them? Check below. Eight of nine on page 1 are pot melts. Redwood Sunset on page 2 is a pot melt. Each photo can be enlarged twice.

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nJb

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