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Well, isn't that nice?

;) Trish

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Quite possibly. He was a carpenter's son, so he worked with his hands. Prolly made his own sandals, or at least repaired them when the souls got thin. (pun intended) Cea

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:38:17 -0500 (EST) in alt.sewing, snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net was alleged to have written:

Is he the one that said "As you sew, so shall you rip." ?

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But didn't he wear a robe 'with no seams'? I've always imagined this as some sort of tube fabric. Did they have circular looms in those far-off days?

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you can put many items on him, from antlers to a Hallowe'en mask, but no sign of The Robe as such.

:) Trish

Knitted, wasn't it?

Late Medieval and Renaissance illuminators/painters certainly assumed it was knitted, hence paintings sometimes called 'knitting madonnas' It is more likely that it was a woven garment, it is possible to weave a lower-case T shaped garment on a regular loom - you just start and stop using some of the warp threads depending on the shape you want. I know there has been discussion on an email list about this - might have been historic-knit or historic-costume or um..... don't know, it's been a while. Oh, the resulting t-shaped garment would have been popped over the head and probably tied shut. You can also weave in a neck opening, if you want.

liz young

This is good. I like the Santa outfit. And the drum major. And the Grinch, the Elf, the Gingerbread Boy...oh heck! I like 'em all!

We've lost the knack of weaving to shape. They used to weave circular cloaks to shape as well. Not quite sure how that was done...

[re: the "seamless robe" worn to the crucifixion]

Richard Rutt rather thoroughly debunks this story on page 27 of _A History of Hand Knitting_. Knitting had not yet been invented, and the garment was a khiton (with a line over the o), which was a simple rectangle of cloth.

Bishop Rutt doesn't discuss the looms of the period. Wild speculation follows:

The warp-weighted loom used by the ancient greeks may already have been displaced by floor looms, which were easier to operate, but couldn't conveniently make wide pieces. According to _Woman's Work_, the floor loom was developed out of a collision between the warp-weighted loom and the ground loom, and the ground loon was used in Egypt, so it would be logical for Palestine to be an early adopter.

People who wanted to make wide pieces such as blankets kept on using the warp-weighted loom well into the twentieth century. If both the floor loom and the warp-weighted loom were in use, a khiton woven all in one piece would be more expensive than one pieced together from narrow strips of fabric. And also more comfortable, even if sewn with the "antique seam": it was an undershirt.

If seamless khitons were woven on obsolete looms, that would explain why priests were expected to wear them.

Joy Beeson

Probably everyone was, to some extent. Since life was vastly simpler in some ways, but ever so much more difficult in others, I suspect everyone had to know a little bit about most survival-type skills.

Joy, fascinating information on the loom. Thanks for sharing it.

Karen Maslowski in Cincinnati

LOL {{{{{Cea}}}}}

The most amazing weaving was done in what is now Peru. Fabric has been found that we simply are unable to replicate today, even with our tremendously advanced technology. They did some other things, like build houses on non-arable land, reserving anything capable of producing crops for farming. "Primitive" people, eh? ;-) We should be so primitive today.

Fascinating.

I think I'd always assumed Jesus wore a tunic rather than a chiton, but this is probably from misspending my youth watching Ben Hur etc on Sunday afternoons...

I'm fairly sure he wasn't a white guy with red hair, either ;)

:) Trish