I got the Grizzly mini and the HF 14X40 to cover the different types of turning that I do. I don't see one lathe as being the be-all and end-all of tools unless you want to spend a truly amazing amount of money and dedicate a lot of space. As for the Crapsman router, I think we all made that mistake. My wife is a DoD sysgod and uses our back-room for her crafts so the downstairs is spoken for. that leaves me in the backyard. The Grizzly fits on a Workmate when I want to use it ande the HF is bolted to a stack of pallettes, which are bolted together - heavy and steady. It ain't elegant, but it works. Dave in Fairfax