Fait main/ Hand Made What does it really mean?

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I thought I would share this question here as well as on Facebook to  
sound out the maximum quantity of opinions.
At the risk of creating a dispute and sort of on the back of another  
crafter's recent experience I have been turning over in my mind the  
question of Fait main ( Hand made) and what does it legally mean ?

When I began as an Artisan here in France, a good while ago, I was asked  
to re word all my sign-age on a particular expo as I had chosen to work  
as "Claire Owen - Fait Main". There had been a complaint from someone  
that I couldn't put Fait Main as I used a sewing machine. There doesn't  
seem to be an official description of what Fait Main really means from  
an artistic point of view. Nowadays I just put Fabrication Artisanale,  
meaning made by a craft person.


It's just that more and more I see other artisans, artists and AE's with  
notices up at expos saying Fait Main or 100% Fait Main.

The dictionary definition says;


de l'industrie.

Etsy seem to be having a go at allowing anyone who puts a hand on  
something to be defined as handmade but I don't think it is wise to  
allow Etsy to make the definitive rules for the legal practicalities of  
labelling.

There  is apparently a definition of Fait main as far as shoes making  
goes........ who knew but I can't find any hard and fast rules for  
sewing, knitting, jewellery etc.
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Claire in Montreal FRANCE
http://claireowenperso.free.fr

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Wwhen I had woven labels made a few years ago, I discussed this  
issue with my label designer, and we finally decided on "Custom Made  
By":
http://www.ickes.us/Lists/Photos/BEI%20DESIGNS%20Label.JPG
This seems to cover the bases as far as "made by me", whether by  
"hand" or "machine", since literally both are used.

I don't know if this tranlates well into French. I will be following  
this thread, I hope the debate here helps your situation.

--  
Beverly
http://www.ickes.us


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I know Beverly that's why I switched marking myself with Fabrication  
Artisanale which translate more kindly to made by an artisan.

  I have contacted my Chambre des metiers and will see  what comes back.
--  
Claire in Montreal FRANCE
http://claireowenperso.free.fr

Re: Fait main/ Hand Made What does it really mean?
  The legal definition will vary - according to jurisdiction and case
law,  in my opinion.   Your situation in France could be very
different from someone in USA ;  there might well be differences all
across USA jurisdictions  ...  
   John T.




On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 09:41:51 +0100, Claire in France

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Re: Fait main/ Hand Made What does it really mean?
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:  The legal definition will vary - according to jurisdiction and case
:law,  in my opinion.   Your situation in France could be very
:different from someone in USA ;  there might well be differences all
:across USA jurisdictions  ...  

There's not a good legal definition in the US.  There's one for
jewelery making, sort of, which clearly allows the use of power tools,
as long as they're manaully operated.  



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There doesn't seem to be one here either, I will keep digging.

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Claire in Montreal FRANCE
http://claireowenperso.free.fr

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I realise things will vary between countries but I don't think a legal  
definition exists either side of the pond .I can't find an EU ruling  
with a simple search and of course I am not a legal person just a  
curious artisan, who gets frustrated by   what seems to be unfair labelling.

I have contacted my Chambre des metiers and will see  what comes back.


--  
Claire in Montreal FRANCE
http://claireowenperso.free.fr

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In the US, for sewing appears to mean "made by a single person", with or without machinery.
http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/how-to-start-a-homebased-handmade-sewing-business-pt3/
http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/trip_to_la_2/

And for a laugh: http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/worn-out-fashion-terms/

I'd say if there's an official definition in France, well, that's what you've got to use.
But if this is your market people making a fuss, are there any woodworkers or metalworkers  
there?  Are they allowed to use power tools and still use Fait Main?

Don't a remember that at least some members of the Chambre Syndicale de la Haute  
Couture now use at least straight stitch sewing machines for some side seams and  
the like?  Wasn't there a flap 15-20 years ago when someone dared use a (gasp!) serger?

Kay



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Thank you for the links Kay.

I laughed at the serger gasp!!

I have emailed my local contact at the Chambre des Metiers and will see  
what comes back.


--  
Claire in Montreal FRANCE
http://claireowenperso.free.fr

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