Interesting Sales Arrangement

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "Tink" :

]Have you guys ever done this before?

how much do i fork over to get in on this deal???????

----------- @vicki [SnuggleWench] (Books)

Yeah, no kidding.

yep, its called "works for hire", I think, and when you do that as a musician, writer, programmer or designer, the copyrights stay with the one who employed the work. The creator is an employee and the company owns all output, sometimes even of what you do in your off hours. (like certain scientists, and artists who work for Disney) Sarajane

Sarajane's Polymer Clay Gallery

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 04:55:07 GMT, "Tink">I thought you guys would appreciate hearing about this bizarre but very cool

Nope. But when I run low on lampwork, and have no time to make any, can I hire you for a day too? Barbara Dream Master

Autumn is a second spring when every leaf is a flower. ~~ Albert Camus

Nah... I don't think so in this case. My work isn't being directed at all by the buyer, other than some suggestions for color palette and so on. It's just an up-front agreement to take everything I create on that day for a set price.

I've worked for Disney as a designer, and I kept ownership of my designs. It was for creation of a limited edition. But interestingly, when I worked at IBM, they owned everything I did, whether it was related to computers or not. Bizarre.

LOL! Do you REALLY want to know?????? Email me.

Sure :-)

It's really working out well. I never would have thought of it, but one of my volume customers just kind of jokingly said "With all the purchases I'm making from you this week, I should just hire you for a day." She had purchased ten beads, all focals, for $220 total. The following week, she hired me for a day's work for $150, and got 15 beads, all focals. She was happy, I was happy. It rocked.

Tink.

One word.

Spacers?

LOL Smarty Pants! If someone wanted to pay me $150 - $200 for a dozen or so spacers, I think I could force myself to do them. LMAO!

And the "short rods" will be the LEAST of your worries. I just got a bunch of new tools that are quite evil looking. Bwahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Can you say CLAMPS? I knew you could. LOL!

Cool! It's nice to hear that it's a concept that works in reality, not just in theory!!!

That wouldn't bother me. I think serendipity is creativity's birth-mother. I usually just play with what's on hand--and get whatever comes out. I wind up with some pretty kinky stuff that way. Barbara Dream Master

Autumn is a second spring when every leaf is a flower. ~~ Albert Camus

Clamps?

and what would CLAMPS be used in glass for??? I can think of better

here, kenny, kenny, kenny....

Mary

No... but I must say, it's brilliant!

On another note, that necklace in your link is *awesome!*

EVIL!

I've heard of companies that do that... they "own" every expression of creativity or ingenuity by the employee, whether on or off the clock, and whether or not it's related to what the company does.

Frankly, I think it's unethical at best, and technically illegal, since we don't have chattel in this country. BUT, it's not like this country enforces it's own laws as long as it's The Big Boys breaking them.

I think we accidentally sold America to Nestle.

I've heard of companies that do that... they "own" every expression of creativity or ingenuity by the employee, whether on or off the clock, and whether or not it's related to what the company does.

Frankly, I think it's unethical at best, and technically illegal,>

sorry - you are VERY WRONG about the "legality" of this. It is a standard Intellectual Property thing -- and it is contract - not chattel....

it is the only way they can protect themselves from "well, I made THIS idea at home on my own time" However, most companies - if pressed - will modify the contract to give what some call "first right" --or "right of refusal" so if say you invent a bead making doodad - and they are IBM and not interested - they just say "we pass" and you can then pursue it yourself.

But - it's VERY legal - has stood up in court for many years....

Cheryl of DRAGON BEADS Flameworked beads and glass

My DH is a computer programmer, and every company he has ever worked for has asked him to sign the contract stating that they own all his work, whether on or off 'duty'. He's never signed it (and has always gotten the job, despite--he's just that good;o), but from Intel to small Sacramento mailing houses, every single one of them has included it as standard protocol. So, it must be legal, right? ;o)