Jeanne, just remember.... you have friends who love you and value you and need what you give here. I wish you could come on over to my house for a cup of tea or coffee and some hot biscuits. I make the best -- buttermilk. Yum. Anyway, wish you lived closer. And sorry that your view is ruined. And that you have to put up with a little man with a big mouth. Hmmmp. But I'm glad you come here and talk to us. I need all my friends.
Sunny
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:38:28 -0500, nzlstar* wrote (in article ):
Jeanne dear,
I've been refraining from giving my 2 cents, because I don't claim to know how bad it is for you. And I'm a government bureaucrat, so I've probably made decisions that seem just as bad to the citizens as your pole does.
But, let me tell you this. It's a good thing to get angry, especially when your government isn't doing what its supposed to and isn't following its own rules. However, you need to let the facts do the talking not your emotions.
It sounds as if you're starting to appear obessessed with the issue and that won't do you're cause any good. (Trust me, I deal with these types of nuisance situations all the time). Hysterics and hyperbole will make you feel good, but won't persuade anyone to your cause. You just come off to everyone else looking like "that crazy woman who is obessessed with xyz"
By all means, organize and take action. But rage and cry in private or to us. With your neighbors and the council be calm, business like and armed with the facts. Come up with a compromise plan if you can. One that makes everyone about 40% happy, cause those are usually (maybe unfortunately in your eyes right now) that end up working.
Maureen
Not sure if this is encouraging to you or not, but a neighbor on our street wrote to the local council to complain about a post office storage box, where a van drove up twice a day to leave mail for the posties to deliver on their bicycles. The street is a dead end where the neighbor's young children like to play, and they were concerned that the van driver might run over them. We just got a letter to say that the storage box will be dismantled by the end of the month. Roberta in D
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oh no worrys, i sit 'home' each day forced to repeatedly look at the poles and be upset. on paper so far i've kept my cool with any beauracracy over the poles erected by their own admission in various emails (emails are legal documents now) without the consultation or notification i believe should have been was necessary according to their own district plan and also (soon as i find it) by the Resource Management Act here. the poles exceed by a full 65% their own district plan. currently our speaker of the house of parliament who was also previously our attorney general has put in an appeal with the environment court over a resource consent for a building that is 23% over the limit in their location. i'm on the trail of any constructive help she can give me with an email to her seeking help. i'm fairly sure she will reply with something i can use to fix the problem. i'd be more than happy with telescopic poles that disappear from my view when not in use. they only use the lights after dark, that is when i dont look out back much. this is possible as i was told in a phone convo with council that it was considered but the cost was too high. shame they didnt ask us before hand they'd of seen we did not want big ugly poles sitting there in our views day and night all year round. oh the poles are only required in winter when it is dark during their training in late afternoon into early evening. a park across town is currently in consultation with 2 public meetings for the same height poles. why do they get consulted and we did not? nope the poles will be changed somehow and tho it might take til the day i die, oh well. what else have i got to do. nada, zilch, nutt'n. dont you worry about me or how emotional i might or might not get with beauracrats. i'm right, they're wrong. end of story. j.
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Howdy!
The view from my neighbor's backyard looks very much like this: http://t> I understand that it is an eyesore, but sometimes it just isn't worth it to
that really really really really sucks. always doing things bigger in texas, eh. of course i fully realize that my pathetic pole is only my problem. that is why i didnt post about it for so long. i know full well that it is my problem alone and it is a minor problem (like the council keeps reminding us) only affecting me. so why'd i tell about it here? cuz some folks seemed overly concerned i was off doing who knows what. they asked, i told. for me this is a big freak'n issue. only for me true enough so i'll now take it back into my own head/life/whatever. ttfn, j.
Okay, you're living next to an industrial hellhole. At least that's doing something useful for somebody (though most likely not you).
The thing Jeanne's got outside her house is part of a sports facility. It isn't reasonable to inflict so much misery on somebody simply so a few guys can kick a ball around at night.
Since Jeanne is the most affected seh's going to have to take the lead on the issue - the neighbours can't be expected to fight as hard. But they probably will support her if she doesn't alienate them.
In the end the Hone Heke option might be the most reasonable one, but it'll be pretty self-destructive if the neighbours don't support her doing it. (Four ropes tied two each to the top and bottom of the pole, staked to the ground away from the house to stop either end from moving towards it. A few minutes work with a carborundum disc cutter. Drop the cutter and run like hell when it starts to move. Have the neighbours make a video for YouTube).
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It's a heart-warming idea, but will the view from her prison cell be an improvement over the Pole From Hell?
i thot a more passive way might be to chain myself to it. close enough to home for my 18yo kitty to keep me company. assuming she'll venture outside her yard to see me. tis only about 20 decent sized paces from the back gate. honeheke isnt my style and as Mel pointed out i'm not really in the mood for jail. have you recalled who is in the jails here? eeeeeeeeek.
"Jack Camp> ...is part of a sports facility. It isn't reasonable to
after sundays meeting i seem to have done just that, once cuz i'm american, the second cuz i'm passionate about the injustice of it all and my voice rises in volume when i get like this. cant be helped. injustice is injustice. they admitted they were wrong and apologized, the council i mean. i guess thats all they need to do. say i'm sorry and let us wallow in the bloody awful view. i'm sure anyone of those on council would just loooooooove to have one of these behind their house. hmmmmm. another plan is'a'brew'n.
sigh... j.
LOL! Timberrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Howdy!
This gas well, as most others in this area, is in a RESIDENTIAL area. 3 months ago that was a pasture, w/ cows and mesquite trees on it, a couple of old homes backed up to the fence. It's residential, people in homes, w/ more homes being built on every side of that field, vs. the gas & oil biz in Tx.. Something useful? Making rich people richer, at the gas companies. Everyone's got a view, a perspective; this one's mine.
At Taliesin West, Frank Lloyd Wright had built his winter home and school up in the hills outside Phoenix, ca. 1932. He watched the city of Phoenix sprawl towards his oasis in the desert, and he didn't like it. When the highway went in, acres away from his home on the hill, Mr. W got pretty upset; then they put lights out along that highway & Mr. W got furious. Obsessively furious. He protested but the highway and the lights stayed. So he turned him home around, moving the furniture and outdoor seating so that everything faced the other direction, up to the hill (lots of scrub brush and cactus), instead of out over that beautiful valley. Because he couldn't stand to see those light poles out there along the edge of the highway. His neighbors got used to the poles & the lights, to the point where they just didn't see them anymore. But Mr. Wright never got over it. That was his perspective.
Jeanne, don't go running off, again. Stay. Tell your tale. You got a banner?
R/Sandy -- perspective: 1. a view or prospect, such as scenery; 2. particular attitude or way of regarding something
Jeanne, Seems i'm coming in a bit late, but may i ask what kind of pole it is? is it a light pole for the traffic? a light for a park? a telephone pole? a free standing metal cellular phone tower? i cant imagine what a "telescoping pole" is.
amy in CNY
I lived just a couple miles from Talieson West for about 17 years. And never visited it. In the late 70's and 80's it was $15 admisson charge. That was a lot to a young married couple with small children. Then when we got busier, we just never thought about going to see it. It wasn't even on our "tour" for our of town guests. Though I think I might go see it if the opportunity ever arises again. Maybe.
Howdy! It was interesting, a big, sprawling "compound". The Foundation and architect/artists are still there. Mr. Wright's living quarters explain the strangeness of the man. Great fantasy planner, almost no practicality in the finished product (most of his buildings leak(ed) and had/have major foundation problems, world-wide). And, it's in Butterfly's general neighborhood... well, I mean, it's in Arizona, that's close.
Jeanne, go find your prettiest fabric. Get some liquid starch and pour it into a large bucket. Now cut a piece of that fabric the same size as the kitchen window and put it in the bucket. Pull it back out, and mush some of the starch out of it. You need the fabric wet, but not positively dripping. Plaster the now wet fabric onto the window glass and smooth it out nicely, but be careful that you don't squeegee all the starch out because that is what is going to hold the fabric to the glass. After that dries you will at least be able to tolerate being in your kitchen without getting upset and depressed, and if you are not so upset you will be better able to pursue the business of getting the pole removed. When the pole is gone you can simply pull the fabric off the window and wash the starch off the window and out of the fabric. Debra in VA See my quilts at:
Actually, it's off of Shea Blvd. which is one of the few ways to get to the part of the Valley where B'fly lives so YES -- it's mot certainly in B'fly's neighborhood. Like Kathyl, I lived in Lizard Land forever --
35 years in Scottsdale -- and never once made it to Taliesen West! Arcosanti I did manage to visit when it first opened but not Taliesen! CiaoMeow >^;;^<PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at
Ahhhh Shea Blvd. I lived one lot away from it between Scottsdale Road and Hayden Road. It was only a two lane when I lived there! Imagine..... I went to Arcosanti to buy some bells...
We have to take Shea back and forth to the cabin in Heber/Overgaard when we are in Lizard Land. You absolutely would NOT believe the traffic all the way to the Beeline -- horrendous and this is on a mostly divided multi-lane road both directions! BUT -- B'fly says there is a NEW LQS in her neck o' the woods so might be I will have to get DH to take a breather next time we have a few minutes! CiaoMeow >^;;^<
PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at
LOL, I was born in Arizona, have lived most of my life in Arizona and still have never been to Taliesen West. Nor have I been to Arcosanti. (And my ex was an architecture student when I met and married him. )
Pati, > Sandy Ellis>
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