I see no FAQ pointer, so I must ask....
Since I see no pics posted here, is this then a non-binaries group? If one wishes to show a project in work, does one use tinypic or similar off-net site? If so, which?
I, for one, would love to see some of the posters' work.
Kay XXXXXX: did you *really* make an armoured suit of coke cans? I would consider that awesome.
Alex
Well, this group is part of USENET, so follows USENET rules.
-Irene
Brace yourself, Alex. You simply will not believe how awesome Kate XXXXXX is. You probably need to go to one of her posts, locate her website and take a tour. You ain't seen nuthin' yet. Polly
Congratulations, you have figured out NOT to top post! It takes some newbies several messages before they figure out the prevailing style, and some never do.
You are correct, this is a non-binaries group: no pictures, no attachments, nor HTML. Many of the folks here use online free galleries, before I set up my own site, I used
I think you mean "Kate XXXXXX", so yes, she probably did. And that's likely not the most unusual thing she has ever sewn. Ask her about fairly wings. ;-)
Yup, any will do. Many of us use things like Flikr, Webshots, and Photobucket, but use whatever works best for you. We'll let you know if we can't see the pix.
There's a chunk on my website (URL in sig.), though not some of my latest projects. I tend to write them up on Live Journal, where I'm a member of several communities.
In my dim and distant youth! :D
In addition to the coke can armour, I've also made a tilt for a Land Rover out of an old lorry tarp, spray decks for kayaks, Spandex pod things for an architect, wedding dresses, fairy wings, historical costumes, and a swimsuit, dance stuff, and gents natty suiting.
This morning I'm making the third toile for the top of a customer's wedding gown and some experimental beading and glitzing up of a bit of her top fabric to see if we can make it POP a bit more for less than £250 a meter! (The price of some embroidered silk organza she saw in Berwick Street the other day)
BLUSHES beetroot red.
I ain't THAT good. I just talk a lot! ;)
Seriously, isn't top posting versus bottom posting about as irrelevant as whether the toilet paper comes off the roll on the top or the bottom?
I use either depending on what I feel is appropriate no matter what group I am in.
No! It's all about good manners. It's about making your post easier to read for others. It's about making your post relevant to what has been said before. You may want to comment about two or three different things in an earlier post. Stick all your replies at the top and it can become difficult to make sense of the context of what has been said earlier. It isn't about making life easier for you just because M$ write a poor bit of software that doesn't comply with all the standards[1] and puts the cursor at the top of the composition window, and doesn't recognise signature separators (that's the two dashhes and a space that comes just before the signatures lines).
[1] There are many, many standard protocols associated with usenet posting- RFCs or Request for Comments[2] which are adopted as standards.
[2]Here endeth today's lesson and (mild) rant!
That is easily repaired by installing OE-QuoteFix:
Ah, Richard, you make my heart sing! ;-) Entire message left intact deliberately, as a cautionary tale for newbies. ;-).
A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top-posting.
Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Top posters may have questions for which I may have answers, but following two top-posted messages they earn an entry in my personal "ignore the twit" list.
Irrelevant?
A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top-posting.
Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
When people top post, I sometimes don't see their message, because I'm looking at the bottom, and if the message is short, it gets lost in the headers from the quoted message. But nobody has really suffered from my not seeing it. I certainly haven't.
Like drivers who leave their foglights on all the time, it is really a minor irritation that causes anger out of all proportion to its relevance. It inspires religious belief and outrageous levels of ranting from the "faithful".
The worst of it is that it obscures the real point, which is to trim your quotes down to just what you're replying to, and interleave your replies. Marking the quoted text clearly is also important: most newsreaders do this, but online forums sometimes don't. Yahoo Groups are bad at this.
It should depend on what makes the best sense of the complete post. An initial statement, followed by quoted text and interleaved replies can make perfect sense. See above, for instance ;)
Not when you use Thunderbird it isn't.
Uh-huh. Like I had to snip a few lines above my moniker and then a buncha lines below my moniker here to post this on the bottom, which I do when nested quotes are needed, but for one short comment in relation to another short comment on something that is not likely to be continued, to me it makes more sense to top-post.
I would much rather see people get irate over the people who leave generations of previous posts intact to the point where you have 4, 5, or 9 levels of quotes rather than getting upset over top- or bottom-posting.
You make the mistake of thinking that usenet conversations happen in real time. They don't. There's usually a delay of a few hours, but your response to a particular post may not be read for several days if real life gets in the way.
That makes it easier for someone
The danger, of course, is that seasoned Usenet users have a tendency to ignore TPers, so your words of wisdom won't necessarily reach their intended audience, so it's all to no avail.
OH, and I'm not someone who broadcasts when I add someone to my KF. It just happens quietly!
Ooh, put the claws away! :-)
You snipped the relevant part of Richard's message:
" [...] It isn't about making life easier for you just because M$ write a poor bit of software that doesn't comply with all the standards[1] and puts the cursor at the top of the composition window,"
To which I replied that fixing the [MS] issue could be repaired using OE-Quotefix. I was not aware that MS created Thunderbird.
In addition, newly subscribed Usenet users may choose not to download several thousand older messages, so they may miss the context of a discussion, especially when some people fail to quote *any* part of a previous message. I know google makes this choice by default, but it can be overridden .
Exactly!
You deprive top-posters of your pearls of wisdom, and you don't even let them know??? How sad... ;-)
There has to be a witty reply, pity it's late and I can't think of it at the moment!
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