Just got the new flyer:
30 Aug-1 Sept: Simplicity patterns 6 for $6 (no limit)
24 Aug only- Butterick 60 cents (no limit)
The usual 50% coupon and a 40% on-line coupon
Lots of craft and home decorating items on sale
Just got the new flyer:
30 Aug-1 Sept: Simplicity patterns 6 for $6 (no limit) 24 Aug only-
Butterick 60 cents (no limit)
The usual 50% coupon and a 40% on-line coupon
Lots of craft and home decorating items on sale Beth P
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:12:37 -0700, "Poohma"
Can anyone tell me why there are never offers like this on patterns in
The shops that sell them here all seem tied to the same prices and
Sometimes you might get a discount but never anything like this!! And
certainly no 99c patterns ( that would be about 60p!)
I know that they sell them as a loss leader (read: Priced below cost to
get you into the store so you will buy more things while you are there)
here. Maybe the UK marketing practices have discovered that loss
leaders don't work or something.
"Poohma" wrote in news:8Bg0b.2431$QT5.858
Also looks like Vogue patterns are on sale Aug 24/25 for $3.60. That's up
to 85% off, depending on the original price. Looks like it might be worth
it to jump into the feeding frenzy.
"Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply" wrote in
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Loss leaders work in supermarkets over here - hence remarkably cheap bread
I wonder if the lack of low-priced patterns is because we just don't have an
equivalent of Joann's. Our fabric shops/haberdashers are individual shops or
Yep, Sally, you hit the nail on the head. The big chains can negotiate what's
known as promotional prices, and then they can put things on "sale". Retail
stores have done this for years, especially the big chains. The bigger, the
more clout they have with manufacturers and other suppliers, to negotiate the
prices they pay for goods. (And which is why some smaller companies can't
afford to do business with companies like Walmart, which is notorious for this
kind of deal.)
Karen Maslowski in Cincinnati
Have you tried looking for the patterns on ebay or seeing what it would cost
to order them on Joann.com. Will they ship to UK and if you did order them
mailorder will you be paying less. This is the best option I can give you.
IT is a good possibility that if they ship to UK you can buy them and get a
good deal from their website or ebay with combined shipping.
Or you can always see if one of us might be willing to do it for you. I'm
sure some of us ladies won't mind picking them up at 99cents for you. All
you need is a paypal account and I'm more than willing to pick up whatever
patterns you want if you transfer enough to cover the patterns you request
and shipping costs.
Always willing to help out a fellow sewer.
It is a thought anyway.
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:02:23 -0500, "vamptasia"
That's very kind of you only paypal from the UK costs quite a lot - I
have looked into it before.
I don't have any specific patterns in mind at the moment it's the
principal that I'm interested in.
In this case, JoAnn's is using the patterns as a 'loss-leader' to get
customers into the store. They're willing to take a loss on the
patterns because they know that most people will buy things besides
the patterns. (they're also large enough to negotiate a really good
deal with the pattern distributors.)
They're also celebrating their 60th anniversary with special prices.
Usually the patterns are 1/2 off msrp, and occasionally they'll go on
sale for $1.99 or $2.49 (vogue at 75% off).
This is what I don't understand - whenever I've asked I've been told
that stores here have no option but to charge the prices they're told
to charge by the pattern companies because of whatever agreement has
been made to allow them to sell the patterns in the first place.
John Lewis in this country is also a large operation but it seems to
be tied to the companies' prices too.
Apparently, not big enough.
It all depends on the distributors and the contracts and deals that
the retail outlets made with them. (There may be government
restrictions in place, too, but I really have no idea.)
JL has 26 stores. I don't know how many JoAnn's has but I reckon it's a good
few more. And John Lewis' fabric and haberdashery departments are small in
comparision to the size of the stores (and have been downscaled in recent
years, I think).
Also, JL has never struck me as particularly keen on being competitive.
Remember, this is the chain whose flagship branch used to close on Saturday
afternoons so that the staff (who are all partners in the company) could
have a nice long weekend. We used to stand on Oxford Street, the country's
prime retail site, with money in our hands and our noses pressed against the
glass after 12.30 on Saturdays, but there was no way they'd let us hand that
money over in the store. They started staying open on Saturday afternoons
less than 20 years ago.
It has been tested in the courts and held to be illegal in the US.
There is a "manufacturers suggested retail price" and in some
industries there is a certain amount of nastiness, backbiting, or
infighting if someone wants to discount it, but every time it's
actually come to court, the courts have held that retail prices
are set at the shopkeeper's sole discretion. All the supplier
can dictate is the wholesale price. (The exception appears to be
alcoholic beverages and tobacco. In some jurisdictions there is
legislation setting minimum retail prices for these goods and/or
banning discounts or specials, because they are associated with
some notion of "sin." )
In publishing, there are publishers who'd rather destroy their books
than allow them to be remaindered, and there are a few designer
clothing labels who'd rather destroy their clothes than allow their
brand to be "sullied" by being sold at prices affordable to, eg,
homeless people or the working poor, but if they want to keep the
merchant from discounting it to the public, they have to convince
the merchant by offering a better deal to buy it back themselves.
No, it's just a legal difference. In the UK, manufacturers
have the right to limit retail prices via contract with the
retailer. In the US, retailers have the right to set prices
at their sole discretion and the manufacturer can only set
wholesale prices. Manufacturers dictating more than just
wholesale prices is considered here to be "against public
policy" and contracts stipulating such controls are
So, basically, american retailers like Joann's can set prices
however they want - they could even go below wholesale and lose
money on every pattern sold if they chose to. But in England,
the standard practice for pattern companies is apparently to
bind retailers against such actions by the wholesale sales
I asked about this once and was told that a store has the choice of
buying teh patterns outright or leasing them. If they buy them outright
they can do what they want with them when they are obsolete. Obviously
that is a lot more expensive. Otherwise they basically have the
patterns on consignment and have to trash the patterns and return the
envelopes when they are obsolete, which costs them less.
It's the same principle with paperback books -- have you seen a newer
paperback book that says that if you got the book without the front
cover that it was stolen?