Artists usually make horible salesmen........

The quote usually is "Artists make bad salesmen". I'm comming to find out this is true for most cases.

I recently got done being a vendor in a small-town outdoor fair. I barely made enough to cover the space and materials expense. The bad weather was a factor in people not showing up. But, I overheard a lot of people commenting (not to me directly, but to others) that the prices were too expensive. Which is odd, because the prices were very reasonable if not downright cheap, considering the materials and

*especially* the time put into the work. They probably didn't understand the concept of paying for my time. Of course, a few people did realize this, and were more than happy to pay the price.

Especially since many items can be cheaply or inexpensively manufactured outside the USA by machines or low-cost labor, many artists (not only turners) have a difficult time actually making a living doing this. That's probably why so many of us do this as a hobby.

I did get a few people question about custom items, and even picked up some unusual wood from another turner. So all in all, I had a fun time there, but probably won't do another fair for some time. I don't want to turn into some slick saleman just to sell some of my items. Although, I wouldn't mind people's comments on how to "convince" others of the time needed (and cost) to make certain turnings.

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Brent
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Brent, Don't be too discouraged, therer is a lot to be said for picking the right show. I have one friend who tried one show, didn't do well, and never did another one. He told us at one of the club meetings which one, and those of us who know all let out a big groan, because it is a lousy show. If possible, check the shows out ahead of time, and talk to some of the vendors. Also, there are some craft fair guides that are fairly reliable. robo hippy.

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robo hippy

Well, not all the time. If you are talking about selling your own wares, then yes, many artists have difficulty blowing their own horn. But many artists are actually very good at selling other artist's work. The reason being is that they understand what the artist is working on and have the vocabularly to describe it. Try selling other people's work for awhile. You will find you can then sell your work easier. Dan

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Dan Bollinger

trying to be objective here is hard, but my feeling is that people might ask how long it took to make something, but it's curiosity, not placing value..

I don't think most people at fairs and shows CARE how long it took, 5 min or 5 days... If they like it and can afford it, they'll buy it... if they don't like it enough to pay what you're asking, I don't think that anyone could change their mind by telling them how skilled you are or how long it took..

I can't afford a plasma tv and it probably takes about 10 minutes to make one..

*g*

Mac

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mac davis

"Brent" wrote in news:1149100095.825231.260630 @j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Anything, cars, houses, tools, objects of art; are only worth what buyers are willing to pay for them. Your time, talent and blood really don't mean much to the public. The item and it's price does. There are turners and there are turners. Not sure which are artists. The clients make that determination when you are trying to sell your objects. Choosing your show or fair is key. An artist like yourself and many others will not do well at the smaller shows that feature a lot of inexpensive "stuff". A turner like me can do quite well with my "stuff". If I ever become an artist I will follow my own advice (alas, not much chance of that). Point is, PICK YOUR SHOWS. Regards, Hank

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Henry St.Pierre

You've hit on an item that right now is priced not because of how difficult it is or isn't to make, but to pay for all the research & development that went into learning how to make it.

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George Max

But, people buy it because they WANT one, George..

I could tell them that my bowl is $30 because it's 5 bucks worth of wood and 40 years of research into making it and they'll just get that "like I should give a shit" look and offer $10.. *g* Mac

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mac davis

Yeah, there is the "I want it" factor. I agree that few people will know or care about the R&D.

BTW, I want one too. I'm just looking for the RIGHT one.

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George Max

In my experience: "small-town" tends to be bad news

"outdoor / bad weather" is more bad news

This time of year is not good unless you are in a tourist area.

Like others have said, do some research and find a venue and date that will suit your work. If you have the time and travel budget it would be a good idea to visit as many shows as you can in the next 12 months and get a feel for them. Talk to vendors and see how they rate the show, advertising and management. Talk to other visitors and find out how they like the show. More importantly, watch to see what is being sold, in what quantities and price brackets.

As for the title of this thread, at some shows even the best salesperson will have a hard time. They might do better than a poor salesman, but unless they have the right product at the right price it will be next to impossible. It is hard to sell a $200 hollow vessel to someone whose vision doen't extend beyond $5 knick-knacks.

Derek

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