blount vega oliver and more

this old blount looks to have seen better days but it is probably built
like a tank and if the motor is good could be placed back into service
with out spending a lot
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could probably turn outboard too
the price seems high but it is in very good shape
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not a bad deal compared with what 600 will get you for a new lathe
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a massive oliver this might be the same one seen before
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interesting vintage vega
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not bad since it can turn outboard as well
even though it is a jet it would make a great starter setup since it also
includes a woodcraft waterstone sharpener
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a unrealistic price for an oddball
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this could be saved for april fools day
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Electric Comet
> > > not a bad deal compared with what 600 will get you for a new lathe > >
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> General was a great company making superb woodworking machinery at their foundry in Drummondville, Quebec. The only N.American competitor on quality in those days was Powermatic - Delta was almost as good. Now General is no more and the Powermatic foundry has also closed (AIUI).
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graham
> > > > > > not a bad deal compared with what 600 will get you for a new lathe > > > >
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tml > > > General was a great company making superb woodworking machinery at their > foundry in Drummondville, Quebec. The only N.American competitor on > quality in those days was Powermatic - Delta was almost as good. > Now General is no more and the Powermatic foundry has also closed (AIUI). Its been 20 to 30 years since the North American companies made American/Ca nadian tools. Think Powermatic was the first to go to Taiwan and/or China. Followed fairly quickly by Delta. Early to late 1990s when this happened . General, not sure what happened to them. They were always tiny compared to the other two. Not sure if ownership changed 30 years ago and the new owner immediately closed all Canadian built machines and moved everything i nstantly to China. Or maybe General stayed with its old owners and they sa w the writing on the walls and followed Delta and Powermatic to China or Ta iwan. But for all of them, its been 20-30 years since any of them made Nor th American machines. Its all Chinese now.
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russellseaton1
On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 09:24:46 -0700
i recall your previous comments about general here
did not look closely at this one but from what you are seeing this is a real good buy
Reply to
Electric Comet
The General 160 lathe for $600 is probably a great buy. Value wise. BUT, its still a 12" swing lathe. Is 36" between centers. Pulley speed changes . Maybe Reeves drive to get variable speed. Not sure. You can get the ex act same specs today by buying a new mini lathe and an extension. For less than $600. Maybe even get variable speed on the mini lathe. The General is a good lathe. But technology has changed a bit in the last 30 years. I would love to have this General. But you can get the same capabilities fo r less today. The $600 is probably based on the fact the lathe cost $1500+ brand new 30 years ago. The seller thinks its still worth 40% of retail b ack then. Probably true. But retail prices of lathes has come down since then. Maybe quality too compared to this fine Canadian General.
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russellseaton1
No, it's a 4-speed. If it had the Reeves drive, there would be a lever on the front of the cabinet. I'm faced with a similar problem regarding pricing. I have a 160 for sale. It is just the cast iron top on a custom base. I bought it that way and built the base as I'm too tall for the cabinet-type in this advert. Apparently General used to age all the castings to allow stress relief before machining them. The quality of their table saws was legendary. I saw some ex-school shop ones in a local store recently for very reasonable prices but I have no room for one at the moment. Graham
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graham
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 06:46:37 -0700
i saw on some vendor site future metal lathe parts they season them outdoors for months and years before they finish them and make them into lathes or mills etc
i doubt the stuff made in china is seasoned before they finish them
Reply to
Electric Comet
They most probably re-heat the cast iron to relieve the stress in higher quality tools. In the early days of Taiwanese imports, it paid to take a straight edge with you when buying, say, a table saw to check the flatness of the table. These days the quality is much higher.
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graham
UT, its still a 12" swing lathe. Is 36" between centers. Pulley speed cha nges. Maybe Reeves drive to get variable speed. Not sure.
I hear you. Your problem is even though your 160 is undoubtedly a fine lat he, it really just isn't worth a whole lot today when compared to what you can buy brand new. For what you want for the 160, its possible to buy a br and new Chinese lathe with an extension bed and maybe variable speed and be able to do 120% of what the 160 can do. Think of cars. A fancy luxury ca r from the 1970s is the same or maybe worse than a medium Camry, Accord etc . today. Camry and Accord are not luxury cars, but they probably have bett er, more powerful motors and nicer interiors today than what the 1970s luxu ry cars had. Would you buy a 1972 Coupe de Ville for the same price you ca n buy a new Camry? Most likely not. Unless you really want the pimp image .
It is just the cast iron top on a custom base. I bought it that
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russellseaton1
I agree! My new lathe is a Nova Galaxi and although much more expensive than the 160, is far more versatile. However, I know some top-class turners still using the 260, which is a bigger version of the 160 and used to grace the workshops of internationally known turners until the likes of Oneway and Robust came along. Graham
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graham
BUT, its still a 12" swing lathe. Is 36" between centers. Pulley speed c hanges. Maybe Reeves drive to get variable speed. Not sure.
lathe, it really just isn't worth a whole lot today when compared to what you can buy brand new. For what you want for the 160, its possible to buy a brand new Chinese lathe with an extension bed and maybe variable speed an d be able to do 120% of what the 160 can do.
The General 160 and 260 lathes are fine, fine lathes. Just like the now no n existent Powermatic 90 and Delta made one similar too. 3 HP with variabl e speed I think. Or maybe it was pulleys, not sure. All fine 12" or 24" d iameter lathes with 36" between centers. Pretty much identical to Oneway l athes today except Oneway is welded steel and not cast iron. All fine and good. But lathes have improved over the years. Sliding head stocks are fa r superior to the old time fixed head lathes. You get a short and long bed lathe in one. And you do not have to bend your body in half over the bed to hollow out a bowl. Pain.
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russellseaton1
Although my Nova Galaxi has a sliding and swivelling headstock, I still adopt the old "fixed headstock" position from force of habit:-) I now have a Hope System hollower with both laser and TV attachments and for deep hollow turning, a speciality of mine, the headstock has to be in the "fixed" position.
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Graham
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graham
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 12:55:52 -0700
they do iterate and listen to the customer and over time they end up making quality but it has taken them a while to learn
they are still learning but they go through iterations more quickly now with cad designs and automation
Reply to
Electric Comet
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:50:09 -0700
well having one too many lathes is not the worst problem to have
maybe you can donate it to a local maker space
some schools still have woodshops too and believe it or not they may be happy to have it
Reply to
Electric Comet
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 14:35:58 -0800 (PST)
i get it and not disagreeing with your point
one thing about using a vintage car as a daily driver is that safety was not as well baked in to cars then as it is now
crumple zones come to mind first
but the air bags and abs etc
lathes are as safe as the operator
Reply to
Electric Comet
I wasn't even thinking about the safety differences between the Eldorado an d the Camry, Accord. Just the quality aspects. You're right the safety as pect is there. Even though the Eldorado probably weighed one ton more, it probably fared much worse in any safety test crashes.
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russellseaton1

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